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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
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When Bob Sanders was fired Jan. 5 as defensive coordinator of the Green Bay Packers, coach Mike McCarthy quickly went to work to find a replacement.[img_r]http://media.jsonline.com/images/199*126/mjs-packers14-28-of-hoffman.jpg-packers14.jpg[/img_r]

Mike Nolan and Gregg Williams were brought in back-to-back just three days after Sanders and five of his assistants were dismissed.

Within the next week, both Nolan and Williams were hired as defensive coordinators elsewhere.

Nolan, after meeting with McCarthy on Jan. 8, was hired by the Denver Broncos on Jan. 11 - the same day Josh McDaniels was hired as head coach.

On Jan. 15, Williams agreed to Sean Payton's offer to run the defense of the New Orleans Saints.

On Jan. 19, Dom Capers signed on to become the Packers' defensive coordinator.

It is not known whether McCarthy offered the position to Nolan.

Jim Haslett, the former Saints coach, had the opportunity to take the Packers' job, a source said, but there was a timetable attached. Haslett opted to see if he would be named coach of the St. Louis Rams, and McCarthy moved on. The Rams hired Steve Spanuolo, and Haslett now is coaching in the new United Football League.

Williams told the Journal Sentinel on Jan. 20 at the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., that McCarthy offered him the job, but he turned it down after a family vote.

Williams' youngest son, Chase, is one of the nation's top high school prospects at tight end/linebacker in his junior season and preferred to play in the South.

There also was the issue of Williams wanting to find a coaching position for his oldest son, Blake, which Williams was able to do at his previous stops with the Jacksonville Jaguars and Washington Redskins. Williams said the Packers were open to accommodating that request. Some other teams were not.

It probably also didn't hurt that soon after Williams left New Orleans to interview in Green Bay, Payton went to general manager Mickey Loomis and offered up to $250,000 of his own salary to land Williams.

So in the end, the Broncos got Nolan, Williams went to the Saints and Capers joined the Packers.

After four games - a minuscule sampling, to be sure - it would appear as if the Broncos and Saints were the big winners. Both are off to 4-0 starts thanks in large part to vastly improved defenses.

Under Nolan, the Broncos have gone from having the 29th overall defense in yards in 2008 to second in this season.

The Saints have climbed from 23rd to ninth with Williams at the helm.

But the Packers have improved as well, from 20th to 15th.

Each situation has been unique.

The Broncos were all about change as they, like the Packers, moved from a 4-3 scheme to a 3-4.

"The 4-3 really wasn't here," McDaniels said. "The way they had played, the style and the guys. . . . We just felt like it wasn't like we had a solid 4-3 defensive scheme in terms of our personnel to fit that scheme. In other words, why take a year and do that when it really wasn't in place to begin with, so we just said, 'Hey, just go.'

"Everything from the first few weeks that we got here moving forward, we said we're going in that direction regardless. It might not be perfect, but we're going to get it as close to perfect by the time we start playing games. It was that simple."

The Broncos have eight new starters. Five were veterans brought in via free agency who had previous experience in the 3-4 or a multiple, attacking defense: nose tackle Ronald Fields (San Francisco), end Ryan McBean (Pittsburgh), linebacker Andra Davis (Cleveland), and safeties Renaldo Hill (Miami) and Brian Dawkins (Philadelphia). Denver also added end Vonnie Holliday, who stated his disappointment that the Packers didn't look at him, to bring veteran depth to the line. Robert Ayers, the 18th pick in the draft, also has played a lot at outside linebacker after being an end in college at Tennessee.

"Most of the guys (on the roster) didn't have much experience playing in that (4-3) system," McDaniels said. "We were coming in looking at it and looking at what we had and said, all right, let's go ahead and make the transition, move the guys that were ends in the 4-3, move them out to linebacker and then go ahead and start that process. And everyone we've brought in since then has kind of fit that mold."

The Broncos also have had the benefit of playing two of the worst offenses in the league: Oakland (32nd) and Cleveland (29th). But Dallas (fifth) and Cincinnati (14th) are in the upper half.

The Saints, who used a 4-3, were able to keep the same scheme under Williams but added his attacking style.

New Orleans got a big lift when three key starters returned from injury: ends Charles Grant and Will Smith, and cornerback Tracy Porter.

The Saints also added two players in free agency who fit Williams' scheme: cornerback Jabari Greer and safety Darren Sharper. Sharper, the former Packer and Viking, was named NFC defensive player of the week Tuesday and leads the NFL with five interceptions.

"Sometimes the change is necessary, and unfortunately in our business you can't change out an entire side of the ball. I think Gregg and his staff defensively have done a good job, along with the players, of coming into this season with a new approach," said Payton. "We've added some key players (who) were big off-season acquisitions for us."

The Saints have faced only one offense ranked in the upper half: Philadelphia (15th).

In Green Bay, Capers was forced to transform a stringent 4-3 team into a 3-4. And while the Packers, like the Saints, got three defensive starters back from injury - Nick Barnett, Cullen Jenkins and Atari Bigby - Capers got no help in the personnel department.

The only player brought in with 3-4 experience, safety Anthony Smith, was cut before the start of the season.

And while both Denver and New Orleans felt the need to start their rebuilding effort with veteran safeties in Dawkins and Sharper, the Packers left themselves short at that crucial position.

Not only was Smith jettisoned, but after Bigby got hurt again, third-year pro Aaron Rouse was released and Derrick Martin was forced to start a month after being acquired in a trade. Consistency problems in the back end undoubtedly have forced Capers to alter some of the more aggressive schemes that were present during training camp.

But Capers did, without question, have the most talent to work with. Williams said when he evaluated each of his nine possible destinations - including Denver and New Orleans - for talent already on the roster, the Packers clearly were No. 1.

"From the starters to the reserves, the depth of young talent there was really impressive," Williams said. "That was a big mark in their corner."

But Williams was looking at 4-3 players fitting a 4-3 scheme. Capers had to make those players fit a 3-4 scheme.

While Nolan got a speedster end in Elvis Dumervil (eight sacks this season) to play outside linebacker, Capers had to make the same transition with Aaron Kampman (one sack), who is not as good an all-around athlete.

The Packers have played two above-average offenses: Minnesota (13th) and Cincinnati (14th). Chicago (25th) and St. Louis (30th) have struggled, but the Packers flexed some strength when they held the league's leading rusher, Adrian Peterson, to 55 yards on 25 carries Monday night.

Capers was asked this week if his defense has progressed the way he envisioned.

"You never know, it's hard to speculate," he said. "I know that we've done some good things through four games. We need to do things more consistently. I think we have the capability of doing things more consistently, and that's what I think will enable us to improve. Our goal is to go out and improve every week.

"I looked at the game (Monday) night and our run defense played the best that it's played this year. Our pass defense didn't. So the key is let's try to get both of those on the same page in the same game."

So after four games, it's obvious the Broncos and Saints have vastly improved on defense with the arrivals of Nolan and Williams, respectively. But they also were aided by the acquisitions of key players who had performed in starting roles elsewhere.

The Packers also have made progress, just not as starkly. But there were no personnel adjustments made. Capers had to, in a sense, fit square pegs into round holes.

What is known is that there are 12 games left. The Packers may play better as they get more accustomed to Capers' scheme. Nolan's squad may fall back to earth as the Broncos go through the league's eighth-toughest schedule the rest of the way. And some of the aging Saints veterans may not hold up.

After all, the verdict at the end of the season is the only one that matters.


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djcubez
15 years ago
Lot of interesting things said in that post. For instance, I never knew Vonnie Holliday was upset we didn't take a look at him. It might have been a good idea to at least give him a look knowing we've usually lacked consistency at DL the last few years.

Also the fact that Derrick Martin starting keeps our defense from being aggressive. That in my opinion is terrible. The 3-4 is built upon getting pressure on the QB and when you sacrifice that because of a weak link it's not necessarily going to benefit you, and it hasn't.
Rockmolder
15 years ago
I wonder if we offered Nolan a contract. The man is a defensive guru. I like Capers, but hiring Nolan would've been great for this team.

Maybe we need to give Capers some more freedom if he, McCarthy and Ted are still here next season. Ted's no an idiot. He sees that this isn't working. He ought to start spending a little next year. If I where him, I'd give control over to Dom in FA next year. To a certain extend of course.

If we rank near the bottom of the league again, I can see a slight overhaul on defense. Although Dom might be the one who has to push it through.
millertime
15 years ago
TT needs to consult Capers when acquiring talent next offseason. It his system, and no one know it better than him.

I read somewhere that the o-linemen Ted Thompson drafted weren't picked out by the line coach, but more like, this guy is athletic and smart.... he'll fit our scheme. They didn't take into account whether the guy could play (Moll or Coston) just that they were just athletic.
Zero2Cool
15 years ago
I was down for doing a little overpaying for Chris Canty who is out this week and only has two tackles. I guess I don't really know what I'm talking about, lol.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
The one guy I wanted, but got way to much jack in the offseason was Brian Dawkins.. the dude can flat out play. Watched the Boys/Broncs game this past weekend.. guy still fear him in the center of that field. Even Witten.

The Smith cut is this years version of Frost.. repeat mistake?

Capers has got to find a way to utilize the talent we have.. from Kampman to Martin.. no laying excuses.. you had a hand in the makeup of this roster and stated several times you felt we had the talent on hand Capers.. go get it done.

However, I still have confidence in this group.. the transition wasn't going to be silky smooth.. so some of this is to be expected.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
millertime
15 years ago

The one guy I wanted, but got way to much jack in the offseason was Brian Dawkins.. the dude can flat out play. Watched the Boys/Broncs game this past weekend.. guy still fear him in the center of that field. Even Witten.

The Smith cut is this years version of Frost.. repeat mistake?

Capers has got to find a way to utilize the talent we have.. from Kampman to Martin.. no laying excuses.. you had a hand in the makeup of this roster and stated several times you felt we had the talent on hand Capers.. go get it done.

However, I still have confidence in this group.. the transition wasn't going to be silky smooth.. so some of this is to be expected.

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Dawkins would be awesome. He's another one of those defenders (like Ray Lewis, Polamalu, Bart Scott, etc) that, because of their attitude and playing style, make the guys around them play better. It's no fluke that Denver's defense is playing better this season with basically back up flying around out there.

It's kind of what I've been harping on all year about our lack of leadership on defense. Guys like Kampman and Woodson lead by example, but I really feel like we need an emotional leader on defense to hold the guy accountable. I just don't know where to get one because guys like that are so valuable that they usually don't change teams.
15 years ago
Dawkins is one of the best leaders out there.
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