RainX
15 years ago
Barbre deserves another chance to start, but yeah, they need to be sure Giacomini is active this week. If both continue to struggle, bringing Tauscher back into the fold is almost a must if he'll be ready to go by October.
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longtimefan
15 years ago
Joe Panos ex Wi Badger and played a while in the nfl...

He does some call in on 1029 the hog out of Milwaukee...

On a scale of 1-10 with 10 as very very worried he rated Alan a 6.

Said all the mistakes Alan did were fundamental mistakes..He talked about dropping foot, so he couldnt push the guy at a 45degree angle, things like that

He said everyone has a game or two like that,and he thinks that is something can can be and sSHOULD be fixable.

If it happens again then the guy needs to be benched
agopackgo4
15 years ago
eh give the guy another chance. Sure..He got torched. First game though. Let him work some kinks out against one of the not so good teams in the league this week 😉 get some confidence brewing
Greg C.
15 years ago

Ogunleye (sp???) didn't seem to burn him as much in 2nd half, true, but I didn't pay attention to how much help Barbre was getting from FBs or TEs in the 2nd half either.

"coltonja" wrote:



Thanks musccy for bringing this up. I think those of you that said he improved do need to think a bit about that. I'm not saying that he was entirely the same, but he had a lot, A LOT, more help in the 4th quarter from TE's and backs.

Here's praying he learns how to block :pukeright:

"musccy" wrote:



I haven't watched the game on tape yet, but I suspect that Barbre got a lot of help in the second half. That probably explains why Jermichael Finley was a non-factor in the passing game. The RB's were not catching many passes either, on a night when dump-offs to the RB's could've been an important part of the offense.
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15 years ago
In Coach McCarthy's post match conference he did say regarding Babre's sacks allowed

"We will go back to the drawing board. It's not going to cut it"

Whether that means he will bench him or just giving him a kick up the ass remains to be seen, although, playing the Bengals could be a confidence boost to the guy. (As solid as they can be on defence)
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LambeauEast
15 years ago
I like how McCarthy said the entire line didn't do well. That may be true, Mike, but I saw the pressure coming from the right tackle spot. But yes, give him another shot I guess....it's not like we have a choice. Maybe it was just jitters and poor technique.
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PackFanWithTwins
15 years ago
I think Barbe didn't look as bad in the 2nd half because we never had the ball. I think GB had the ball for 10 of 30 minutes in the 2nd half with 1 of them being kneel downs at the end.

Fewer opportunities.
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musccy
15 years ago

I think Barbe didn't look as bad in the 2nd half because we never had the ball.

"PackFanWithTwins" wrote:



valid point!
buckeyepackfan
15 years ago
Keep the O-line in tack, right now it's the best option. The more they play together, the better they will get.

Be careful taking The Bungals for granted, they have been pretty much disfuntional on offense the past few year but their defense is no pushover.

Hopefully The Packers are not looking past them, this is one of those games you should win, you need to win.

The Bears game was probably one of the roughest hardest hitting games The Packers will play this year, good to see they kept it together and pulled out the victory. Winning games like that will only help down the road.
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dfosterf
15 years ago
GBPG article 

Offensive line's problems go beyond just one guy
By Rob Demovsky rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com September 14, 2009
Even the euphoria of the game-winning touchdown Aaron Rodgers 50-yard bomb to Greg Jennings in the fourth quarter of Sundays 21-15 victory over the Chicago Bears was dampened by a troubling revelation.
It was another on a long list of plays from the season opener on which the Green Bay Packers pass protection was less than adequate.

On that play, tight end Jermichael Finley mistaken blocked down on defensive end Alex Brown, allowing linebacker Nick Roach to run free. Roach was so untouched that he actually paused for a second because he thought there might have been a misdirection play on. By the time Roach realized he had an open angle to Rodgers, the ball was gone.

Though the biggest problem on Sunday was right tackle Allen Barbres inability to block Bears defensive end Adewale Ogunleye, there were problems all across the protection unit.

Coach Mike McCarthy on Monday blamed those issues on his offenses inability to sustain drives. The Packers totaled just 226 yards of total offense, and nearly one-third of that came on the game-winning drive, a five-play, 72-yard possession.

Our protection unit did not play well, and that was a major cause for our frustration and our inability to move the football, McCarthy said. The Bears' defensive line did a very good job getting after our front last night, and we did not handle it very well.

The coaches could find fault with almost everyone in the protection unit left tackle Chad Clifton gave up a sack, center Jason Spitz had a holding penalty and even Rodgers should have gotten rid of the ball sooner to avoid the second-quarter safety but no one played as poorly as Barbre.

In his first start at right tackle, the third-year pro had the kind of performance that could lead to a benching. Neither McCarthy nor offensive coordinator Joe Philbin would say whether they considered pulling Barbre during the game, and on Monday McCarthy said Barbre would remain the starter, at least for Sundays game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

Barbre gave up a whopping seven pressures (unofficially), including the two sacks by Ogunleye. He couldnt block Ogunleyes backup, Mark Anderson, either. Anderson beat Barbre for a pressure and a minus-yardage rushing play.

We were frustrated, but I think that goes for anytime things dont go well, McCarthy said. Everybody wants to pin it on one person. Thats why you need to take a look at the film. I though the communication was good. The things we discussed on the (sideline), also the conversations at halftime, Allen Barbres performance actually improved in the second half, so thats a positive well take forward.

The Packers picked Barbre to replace veteran Mark Tauscher, the starter since 2000 who was not re-signed after a late-season knee injury last year. He beat out second-year Breno Giacomini midway through camp.

Barbre worked extensively with the No. 1 offensive line throughout the offseason but struggled in the preseason opener against Cleveland. The next week in practice, McCarthy declared the position wide open and gave Giacomini half of the reps with the starters. Barbre responded with a solid performance the next week against Buffalo.

He made the necessary corrections and moved forward and had a good preseason from there on out, offensive line coach James Campen said. We expect him to do the same thing again.

In grading the film, the coaches deemed Barbres mistakes to be technical errors and not cases of being overpowered and outmatched. If Barbre had been outmatched physically, he almost certainly would have lost his job. But because they were errors in techniques and fundamentals, theyre willing to give Barbre another shot.

You hope theres a natural cycle of development, Philbin said. Youve got the competition, corrections, practice and then youve got another competition. Hopefully now that hes had the competition, and he had the corrections (on Monday), and hes going to have the practice during the course of the week, and hes going to have another opportunity (on Sunday), you hope as a coach that from the time you spend and the things that youre doing are making a difference. But time will tell. Were going to see how he is.



There can be no real confidence in this football team until this issue is resovlved. It may get resolved simply by subsequent evidence that the Bears have an incredible pass rush. It may get resolved by that evidence coupled with "technique" corrections. It may get resolved by coming to the realization that we do not have adequate personnel and/or "schemes" to do the job.

The point being that all of our offensive weapons are being held hostage to this problem. To me it doesn't matter if we are playing the Patriots or the Bengals. There is no way that I personally can feel comfortable about my team's chances until I feel comfortable about my team's offensive line.

All upcoming hyperbole (a prediction) regarding us and the Bengals is precisely that until proven otherwise. Since we cannot prove otherwise, it will all be that...hyperbole. We stand a very good chance of getting our asses handed to us in our next football game, and any homerism to the contrary is precisely that as well...homerism.
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