jbshell04
15 years ago
Remember in 07 when McCarthy would call that Inverted Wishbone
well in 08 I remember he called it a few times until Hall was injured. Just like in 07 once hall was injured that formation went away. I think MM really loves that formation and all its derivetives.

He badly wants a big time run game to salt away games with ie 4 minute offense. Just a thought into the logic of keeping 3 FB.
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British
15 years ago
Good point.

Another reason:

Hall can play an emergency TE role, Kuhn operates as a short yardage back.

(And both ST studs).

I wouldnt be surprised to be Havner cut with these guys sticking.
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beast
15 years ago
yeah I agree with these idea and because Kuhn and Hall are part of the best 45 IMO. And Johnson has shown he could become a GREAT FB but for now he's still a work in progress.

Kuhn can also be like another Wynn but not as fast. While Hall is the best blocker, has the best hands and I think he was the best on STs.
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porky88
15 years ago
Silentio
15 years ago
I came here to make the same point. The Inverted Wishbone is my favorite offensive formation and I hope we see it more often this year (if it's effective, of course). I wonder if we'll see more fullback carries in the run game this year as a result of this move too. And, of course, it can't hurt on special teams.

edit: Additionally, I always loved seeing William Henderson make a catch and levitate over two defenders for 15 yards. Hopefully we'll see a new passing option for Rodgers as the year progresses.
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Pack93z
15 years ago

Special Teams

"porky88" wrote:



;)

http://www.packershome.com/index.php?name=ForumsPro&file=posting&mode=quote&p=87234 

FB (Keeping Hall and Kuhn both is a special teams consideration)

Korey Hall
John Kuhn (Can fill in the short yardage bruiser back role of Wynn, remember he was a HB at one time)
Quinn Johnson

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beast
15 years ago
Ummm I know with the great WR talent that Packers have that is wouldn't be smart to bench them all....

BUT.... does anybody think the Packers could see a 2 TE, 2 FB and a RB set?

I'm not saying it's a great idea or anything.... but a new formation no one has seen.... teams in future weeks would have to game plan for it a bit even if just a little bit of time it still makes more work for them.... and while I don't think it will become any long term or anything but they maybe able to use it as a gimmick to catch a team or two off guard and get four good drives off of it.... and time of other teams looking at it....

Again nothing long term but it should be able to catch a defense off guard get them to burn a time out, and change the pace of the game it could work out I think.

Basically ram the ball down the defense throat in that set.... and once in a long while throw in a pass play. Heck they might even be able to run Flynn in that with the very little passing it would have.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago

does anybody think the Packers could see a 2 TE, 2 FB and a RB set?

"beast" wrote:



Well, that certainly sounds like an innovative idea. Not only would it raise the possibility for a lot of fakes -- the defense wouldn't know who was getting the ball -- it would make it virtually impossible to sack Aaron Rodgers. And we all know, with our tenuous backup situation, protecting Rodgers will be a major priority this year. I would think it might be a nightmare trying to defense a formation like that. Imagine the potential for play action with Jermichael Finley such a formation would create!

Is it theoretically possible to have all three FBs on the field at the same time?
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beast
15 years ago

does anybody think the Packers could see a 2 TE, 2 FB and a RB set?

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Well, that certainly sounds like an innovative idea. Not only would it raise the possibility for a lot of fakes -- the defense wouldn't know who was getting the ball -- it would make it virtually impossible to sack Aaron Rodgers. And we all know, with our tenuous backup situation, protecting Rodgers will be a major priority this year. I would think it might be a nightmare trying to defense a formation like that. Imagine the potential for play action with Jermichael Finley such a formation would create!

Is it theoretically possible to have all three FBs on the field at the same time?

"beast" wrote:



I just want to keep reminding people... I'm talking about this as a gimmick... not as a long term formation.... also I think it would have a lot more running plays coming out of it.... not to many pass plays but when they do pass play action it like Nonstopdrivel said and hit the open man...

Also think about it if the running plays are working they probably would take out a CB and put in a LB or DL which would make it so much easier for Finley and Lee to get a mismatch.

As for the 3 FBs I don't think three FBs will be on the active 45 man game day roster.... if injuries happen it could happen.... but the other thing is that's just too many blockers....FBs are like blockers... that would be 8 blockers on the field. Just too many IMO.

But what about 3 TEs? I think that's more likely.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
What's wrong with having 8 blockers? Talk about max protection!

Anyway, it is apparently possible to have 3 FBs on the field at once:

Usc Settles For Regrets At Penn St. -- Usc Comeback Ends On Botched Conversion Pass 

AP

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. - Penn State's prevent defense nearly prevented a Nittany Lion victory.

USC scored twice in the final 5:12 yesterday, and 15th-ranked Penn State escaped with a 21-20 victory when Trojan quarterback Rob Johnson threw a bad pass on a two-point conversion try with 37 seconds left.

"Comebacks don't count unless you win," USC Coach John Robinson said.

"What it should do is make us sick and tired of losing. We didn't come to screw up in the first half and come back in the second just to lose."

Penn State scored 21 points in the second quarter, with Brian O'Neal scoring twice on 2-yard runs. USC, limited to 34 yards rushing, passed for 176 yards in the final period before falling short.

'92 heartbreaker revisited


Visions of last year's Notre Dame game danced in Nittany Lion heads. The Irish took a 17-16 victory on a two-point try with 20 seconds left.

"Mentally, we let up," Penn State defensive tackle Lou Benfatti said.

"The first half and third quarter were great, but it was frustrating to have them complete as many passes as they did" in the fourth.

Johnson completed 16 of 21 passes for 176 yards in the quarter, but his final incompletion couldn't have come at a worse time for the Trojans (1-2).

He threw too low to Johnny McWilliams on the two-point try, moments after hitting him on the same play for the touchdown.

"I didn't make the play on the last two-point conversion. So, I

don't know. I think it's my fault," Johnson said, struggling to find the words.

"I'm sorry for the team that it happened. It's not going to happen again."

Penn State (2-0) used fullbacks and pulling guards nearly to perfection to take a 21-7 lead in the second quarter. The Lions had 282 yards rushing for the game, 129 in drives that led to their three second-quarter scores.

USC, with just 11 yards rushing in the first half, scored after Mike Salmon's 30-yard interception return to the Penn State 1 in the second quarter.

With 5:12 left, Ken Grace wriggled free after being trapped at the Lion 25 and scored on a 30-yard pass from Johnson, narrowing the score to 21-14.

Johnson avoided a sack on the first play of USC's final drive and set up the final score with a 20-yard pass to Johnnie Morton as he dove out of bounds at the 2.

On the two-point pass attempt, Tyoka Jackson worked around the Trojan line and Johnson threw low trying to get the ball past linebacker Brian Gelzheiser.

Penn State's Josh Kroell recovered the onside kick, and USC was finished.

Trojans fail to capitalize

"It seemed like the whole game, every time we got a break, we couldn't capitalize," Morton said.

"Sometimes things don't go your way. Today was one of those days."

The Lions lost at USC in 1990 and 1991. Yesterday's game was USC's first at State College.

"We're coming back next year and I'm looking forward to it," Robinson said.

Penn State moved easily for its second-quarter scores, driving 49, 80 and 70 yards.

The first drive ended when John Sacca and Mike Archie rolled right when the rest of the team went left. Sacca hit Archie for an uncontested 4-yard score with 13:32 left.

Johnson scored on a 1-yard sneak with 9:42 left, after Salmon's interception. O'Neal scored twice on 2-yard runs five minutes apart in the second period as the Lions used a three-fullback set.

On both O'Neal scores, Jon Witman and Brian Milne sealed the corners, letting O'Neal go wide.

After an 89-yard drive to the USC 1, Craig Fayak missed a field goal with 3:45 remaining in the third period.

Fayak missed three of four field goals last week against Minnesota.

"Obviously it hurt us," Penn State Coach Joe Paterno said. "We put that one away and the ball game is won. They would have needed three scores to beat us.

"I didn't figure they could get two," Paterno said.

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