Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Speaking of "colored people," I heard about this story last night on AM 620 WTMJ:

MINORITY REPORT
White African-American boy not 'black' enough for award 
National debate sparked after Caucasian student seeking 'race-based honor' booted out of school
Posted: January 25, 2004
3:37 pm Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
2009 WorldNetDaily.com

The Omaha suspension of a white high-school student originally from South Africa is sending shock waves across America as debate rages over who can claim rights to the term "African-American."

The case centers on Trevor Richards, a junior at Westside High School, who moved from Johannesburg to Nebraska six years ago.

Richards and his classmates, 16-year-old twins Paul and Scott Rambo, were booted from classes last week after distributing posters touting Trevor as a candidate for Westside High's "Distinguished African-American Student" award on Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

"The posters were intended to be satire on the term African-American," Scott Rambo told the Omaha World-Herald.

Principal John Crook says the posters were disruptive.

"It was offensive to the individual being honored, to people who work here and to some students," Crook told the paper. "My role is to make sure we have a safe environment, physically and psychologically. We can't allow that kind of thing to be hung up on our walls."

Records from 2002-2003 indicate only 56 of Westside's 1,632 students were black, and some in this year's student body were reportedly upset by Richards' poster.

Ironically, the first two recipients of the student award were white.

"It was not intended at the beginning to be one race only," Clidie Cook, who helps organize the annual event, told the World-Herald.

But Westside officials pushed to change that, feeling the spirit of the honor meant giving it to a black student, and by 2001, the ministerial alliance in charge specified it was for blacks only.

Since the suspensions last week, the issue has been picked up by the Associated Press wire service, and has become a hot topic for columnists, talk radio and Internet messageboards.

"There is no room at the inn for the viewpoints of conservatives, libertarians, Christians, or constitutionalists in the public indoctrination system," says David Huntwork, a conservative activist in Fort Collins, Colo., who criticized the squashing of "this gallant expression of grassroots activism."

The ABC television affiliate in Omaha, KETV, has been swamped with comments on its Internet messageboard.

Among the postings:
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🇱🇮I attend Westside and I am in support for Trevor. Trevor is one of only maybe one or two other people that are actually from Africa. Trevor is more of an African-American than any other "African-American" at Westside. It is also wrong that there is an award for only black students when every other award at Westside is for everyone and everyone has an equal chance to receive those awards if they try.[/li]

🇱🇮If you mean black award, say black award. If you must be racist, that is.[/li]

🇱🇮Why are white Americans constantly hounded, ridiculed and stripped of any racial identity? Why is it OK for everyone to be racist, except white Americans? ... Can you imagine black students getting suspended for joining the "black student union" or any other black group on any campus, or workplace in America? This racism against white Americans must stop.[/li]

🇱🇮I think the administrators should be fired. This is going too far. Let's get a grip people! God this makes me sick. Fire those people![/li]

🇱🇮As a Canadian white male, I have worked with and befriended a few black people. I never once heard them refer themselves as African-Canadians.[/li]

🇱🇮[T]echnically, Trevor is most likely Afrikaans-African-American or Dutch-African-American considering the white descendants of South Africa are from those European descents. So if you want to talk technically, he still is not eligible for this award. The truth is that everyone who is writing these absurd comments knows what African-American means. It is a black person. The term given to this ethnic group has changed over the decades from Negroes to colored people to black and finally African-American. It is a descriptor.[/li][/ul]

The label "African-American" is not universally used by blacks today, as evinced by companies and groups such as Black Entertainment Television, the Congressional Black Caucus, and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, better known as the NAACP.

A search of more than 200 U.S. newspapers geared predominantly toward blacks finds at least 16 have the word "black" in the title, while only five have "African-American."

As WorldNetDaily reported last summer, a member of Congress, Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee, D-Texas, ignited national controversy when she reportedly sought an affirmative-action plan of sorts for hurricane names.

"All racial groups should be represented," Lee said, according to the Hill. She hoped federal weather officials "would try to be inclusive of African-American names."


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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
And while we're on this topic, I hope this medical student wins millions of dollars in compensatory damages for harm to his reputation and lost earnings. I mean, seriously, suspended two years for a homework assignment?


'White African-American' Suing N.J. Med School for Discrimination 
Paulo Serodio Says He Was Harassed, Assaulted After Defining Himself as African-American
By SARAH NETTER
May 13, 2009

Can a white guy be African-American?

Paulo Serodio says he is.

Born and raised in Mozambique and now a naturalized U.S. citizen, Serodio, 45, has filed a lawsuit against a New Jersey medical school, claiming he was harassed and ultimately suspended for identifying himself during a class cultural exercise as a "white African-American."

"I wouldn't wish this to my worst enemy," he said. "I'm not exaggerating. This has destroyed my life, my career."

The lawsuit, which asks for Serodio's reinstatement at the school and monetary damages, named the Newark-based University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and several doctors and university employees as defendants.

Filed Monday in U.S. District Court in New Jersey, the lawsuit traces a series of events that Serodio maintains led to his 2007 suspension, starting with a March 2006 cultural exercise in a clinical skills course taught by Dr. Kathy Ann Duncan, where each student was asked to define themselves for a discussion on culture and medicine.

After Serodio labeled himself as a white African-American, another student said she was offended by his comments and that, because of his white skin, was not an African-American.

According to the lawsuit, Serodio was summoned to Duncan's office where he was instructed "never to define himself as an African-American because it was offensive to others and to people of color for him to do so."

"It's crazy," Serodio's attorney Gregg Zeff told ABCNews.com. "Because that's what he is."

Serodio, who lives in Newark, said he never meant to offend anyone and calling himself African-American doesn't detract from another person's heritage.

Neither the American Civil Liberties Union nor the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People responded to messages seeking comment on the meaning of African-American.

The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines African-American as "an American of African and especially of black African descent."

"There are people of all races who are African," Serodio said, adding that he's never had a problem identifying himself as an African-American until that day in Duncan's class.

Zeff pointed out that Serodio only labeled himself after his instructors asked him to do so and was then penalized for it.

Defending an Identity or Unprofessional Behavior?

Serodio said he is a third-generation African of Portuguese ethnicity whose great-grandfather emigrated to Mozambique. He came to the U.S. in 1984 after being accepted at New York University.

He met his future wife and started a family and, after deciding to settle in the U.S. permanently, got his citizenship in the early 1990s. After doing research work on and off, including for UMDNJ, with pauses in between to be a stay-at-home dad, Serodio said he decided to become a doctor to follow in his parents footsteps.

His plan, he said, was to become a doctor and join Doctors Without Borders where he could travel back to Africa to do charity work like his parents, either as an internist or possibly a neurologist. He started medical school, he said, when his eldest child was in first grade.

The family, he said, had hoped to hold a joint graduation party this spring for his son's passing out of fourth grade and for Serodio's graduation from medical school. But they will only be celebrating his son's achievements this year.

The lawsuit claims Serodio began to be harassed by other students who sought disciplinary action against him for his statement in Duncan's class, but was never given a chance to defend his views against the complaints.

UMDNJ spokesman Jeffrey Tolvin told ABCNews.com that university officials had not yet seen the lawsuit.

"We have no comment on this matter," he said.

In September 2006, Serodio said he again asked to define himself culturally as part of another course exercise. Again, according to the lawsuit he said he was a "white African-American." And again, he was called to the course instructor's office and told never to define himself that way again.

According to the lawsuit, Serodio then wrote an article for the student newspaper, titled "A More Colorful View Than Black and White," in an attempt to explain his self-identification and to call for tolerance at the school.

But when complaints started pouring into Dr. I. Thomas Cohen, then the dean of student affairs, the lawsuit alleges that Serodio was called in again and told by Cohen that if he "lay low for awhile" Cohen would see that a record of the incident would not be placed in Serodio's transcript.

Serodio told ABCNews.com that he believes that America has outgrown the labels of black and white, something he wrote about in the article.

His own children, he said, are of mixed ethnicity European and Chinese. In his own case, he said, "There's a distinction to be made here between ethnicity and being from Africa."

Spiraling Out of Control


The lawsuit claims Serodio tried to stop publication on the newspaper article, but was too late. In response, the professor of the latter cultural class posted a reply on the bulletin boards at the medical school stating that Serodio "had failed to learn professionalism and humanism."

That's when, according to the lawsuit, the harassment, some physical, began in earnest. According to the lawsuit, Serodio's tires were vandalized in December of 2006, other students put up posters slamming him and he was denied protection by the school.

In January 2007, Serodio was made to promise he would never again write in any public forum at the school at the risk of facing disciplinary action, according to the lawsuit.

But Zeff said that the same month, his client was designated as the person who would take notes from a particular class for posting online, as was customary. The notes, Zeff said, contained a few jokes and comments as was typical for students who posted notes online and had been approved by the class professor.

But after a fellow student complained, the same professor that approved the notes filed a complaint about their content, according to the lawsuit, and school officials demanded that Serodio submit to a psychiatric evaluation.

The evaluation was given in April 2007 and Serodio was declared "fit for medical student functions," according to the lawsuit. But after a disciplinary hearing on April 1, which consisted of testimony from anyone claiming to be offended by Serodio's comments, he was notified of his suspension.

The lawsuit claims Serodio was suspended on May 15, 2007 for a period "of not less than one year."

Messages and e-mails left with Duncan and Cohen as well as UMDNJ Dean Dr. Robert Johnson were not returned.

His suspension, which Serodio said was for "unprofessional behavior," meant he was unable to take the board exams reserved for students preparing to enter third year and therefore could not transfer elsewhere to continue his education even though he completed all the second-year coursework.

Resolving the Issue

Serodio told ABCNews.com that he was technically reinstated last spring, but it was too late to start his third year because he still had not been allowed to take his second-year exams.

"I feel unprepared now," he said. "That was very penalizing to me."

So Serodio said he decided to take a year's leave of absence to spend time with his children and get things sorted out with the school, while trying to stay current on his studies for the exam.

The lawsuit is asking for reinstatement to UMDNJ and to the National Board of Medical Examiners so Serodio be allowed to take his board exams. The suit is also asking for recognition that UMDNJ's actions were discriminatory and retaliatory and for unspecified monetary damages.

"I felt this issue had to be resolved," he said.

For now, Serodio is hoping to be able to get his medical degree and put what he considers to be the humiliation of the incident behind him.

"He's lost a part of his career," Zeff said. "He's lost two years of his life."


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Formo
15 years ago

And while we're on this topic, I hope this medical student wins millions of dollars in compensatory damages for harm to his reputation and lost earnings. I mean, seriously, suspended two years for a homework assignment?


'White African-American' Suing N.J. Med School for Discrimination 
Paulo Serodio Says He Was Harassed, Assaulted After Defining Himself as African-American
By SARAH NETTER
May 13, 2009

Can a white guy be African-American?

Paulo Serodio says he is.

Born and raised in Mozambique and now a naturalized U.S. citizen, Serodio, 45, has filed a lawsuit against a New Jersey medical school, claiming he was harassed and ultimately suspended for identifying himself during a class cultural exercise as a "white African-American."

"I wouldn't wish this to my worst enemy," he said. "I'm not exaggerating. This has destroyed my life, my career."

The lawsuit, which asks for Serodio's reinstatement at the school and monetary damages, named the Newark-based University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey and several doctors and university employees as defendants.

Filed Monday in U.S. District Court in New Jersey, the lawsuit traces a series of events that Serodio maintains led to his 2007 suspension, starting with a March 2006 cultural exercise in a clinical skills course taught by Dr. Kathy Ann Duncan, where each student was asked to define themselves for a discussion on culture and medicine.

After Serodio labeled himself as a white African-American, another student said she was offended by his comments and that, because of his white skin, was not an African-American.

According to the lawsuit, Serodio was summoned to Duncan's office where he was instructed "never to define himself as an African-American because it was offensive to others and to people of color for him to do so."

"It's crazy," Serodio's attorney Gregg Zeff told ABCNews.com. "Because that's what he is."

Serodio, who lives in Newark, said he never meant to offend anyone and calling himself African-American doesn't detract from another person's heritage.

Neither the American Civil Liberties Union nor the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People responded to messages seeking comment on the meaning of African-American.

The Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines African-American as "an American of African and especially of black African descent."

"There are people of all races who are African," Serodio said, adding that he's never had a problem identifying himself as an African-American until that day in Duncan's class.

Zeff pointed out that Serodio only labeled himself after his instructors asked him to do so and was then penalized for it.

Defending an Identity or Unprofessional Behavior?

Serodio said he is a third-generation African of Portuguese ethnicity whose great-grandfather emigrated to Mozambique. He came to the U.S. in 1984 after being accepted at New York University.

He met his future wife and started a family and, after deciding to settle in the U.S. permanently, got his citizenship in the early 1990s. After doing research work on and off, including for UMDNJ, with pauses in between to be a stay-at-home dad, Serodio said he decided to become a doctor to follow in his parents footsteps.

His plan, he said, was to become a doctor and join Doctors Without Borders where he could travel back to Africa to do charity work like his parents, either as an internist or possibly a neurologist. He started medical school, he said, when his eldest child was in first grade.

The family, he said, had hoped to hold a joint graduation party this spring for his son's passing out of fourth grade and for Serodio's graduation from medical school. But they will only be celebrating his son's achievements this year.

The lawsuit claims Serodio began to be harassed by other students who sought disciplinary action against him for his statement in Duncan's class, but was never given a chance to defend his views against the complaints.

UMDNJ spokesman Jeffrey Tolvin told ABCNews.com that university officials had not yet seen the lawsuit.

"We have no comment on this matter," he said.

In September 2006, Serodio said he again asked to define himself culturally as part of another course exercise. Again, according to the lawsuit he said he was a "white African-American." And again, he was called to the course instructor's office and told never to define himself that way again.

According to the lawsuit, Serodio then wrote an article for the student newspaper, titled "A More Colorful View Than Black and White," in an attempt to explain his self-identification and to call for tolerance at the school.

But when complaints started pouring into Dr. I. Thomas Cohen, then the dean of student affairs, the lawsuit alleges that Serodio was called in again and told by Cohen that if he "lay low for awhile" Cohen would see that a record of the incident would not be placed in Serodio's transcript.

Serodio told ABCNews.com that he believes that America has outgrown the labels of black and white, something he wrote about in the article.

His own children, he said, are of mixed ethnicity European and Chinese. In his own case, he said, "There's a distinction to be made here between ethnicity and being from Africa."

Spiraling Out of Control


The lawsuit claims Serodio tried to stop publication on the newspaper article, but was too late. In response, the professor of the latter cultural class posted a reply on the bulletin boards at the medical school stating that Serodio "had failed to learn professionalism and humanism."

That's when, according to the lawsuit, the harassment, some physical, began in earnest. According to the lawsuit, Serodio's tires were vandalized in December of 2006, other students put up posters slamming him and he was denied protection by the school.

In January 2007, Serodio was made to promise he would never again write in any public forum at the school at the risk of facing disciplinary action, according to the lawsuit.

But Zeff said that the same month, his client was designated as the person who would take notes from a particular class for posting online, as was customary. The notes, Zeff said, contained a few jokes and comments as was typical for students who posted notes online and had been approved by the class professor.

But after a fellow student complained, the same professor that approved the notes filed a complaint about their content, according to the lawsuit, and school officials demanded that Serodio submit to a psychiatric evaluation.

The evaluation was given in April 2007 and Serodio was declared "fit for medical student functions," according to the lawsuit. But after a disciplinary hearing on April 1, which consisted of testimony from anyone claiming to be offended by Serodio's comments, he was notified of his suspension.

The lawsuit claims Serodio was suspended on May 15, 2007 for a period "of not less than one year."

Messages and e-mails left with Duncan and Cohen as well as UMDNJ Dean Dr. Robert Johnson were not returned.

His suspension, which Serodio said was for "unprofessional behavior," meant he was unable to take the board exams reserved for students preparing to enter third year and therefore could not transfer elsewhere to continue his education even though he completed all the second-year coursework.

Resolving the Issue

Serodio told ABCNews.com that he was technically reinstated last spring, but it was too late to start his third year because he still had not been allowed to take his second-year exams.

"I feel unprepared now," he said. "That was very penalizing to me."

So Serodio said he decided to take a year's leave of absence to spend time with his children and get things sorted out with the school, while trying to stay current on his studies for the exam.

The lawsuit is asking for reinstatement to UMDNJ and to the National Board of Medical Examiners so Serodio be allowed to take his board exams. The suit is also asking for recognition that UMDNJ's actions were discriminatory and retaliatory and for unspecified monetary damages.

"I felt this issue had to be resolved," he said.

For now, Serodio is hoping to be able to get his medical degree and put what he considers to be the humiliation of the incident behind him.

"He's lost a part of his career," Zeff said. "He's lost two years of his life."

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



This is ridiculous. As a white half African-American myself, I would LOVE to call BS on this.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is only one tiny fraction of the damage that 'political correctness' can and will cause. Please take note.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago
Nonstop - I remember the first one. That was years ago. I think I was living in Southern California at the time. The second one is new to me.

Yet another reason we shouldn't even ask race for employment, scholarships, etc. It's just dumb, and brings out the worst in people.

Formo - Agreed.

Cheesey - Yeah, and it's a gender thing too. I've seen women who work their asses off and other people whisper behind their backs that they got promoted because they're women. That's some of the damage political correctness causes.
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Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
As I have stated on Student Senate many times, I firmly believe that college admissions should be gender- and color-neutral. In other words, I don't think admissions counselors should even see the applicants' names until after they've made the decision whether or not to admit them. If it happens that one year you have 70:30 male:female and 81:19 black:white ratio, so be it. The next year you might have something entirely different.
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zombieslayer
15 years ago

As I have stated on Student Senate many times, I firmly believe that college admissions should be gender- and color-neutral. In other words, I don't think admissions counselors should even see the applicants' names until after they've made the decision whether or not to admit them. If it happens that one year you have 70:30 male:female and 81:19 black:white ratio, so be it. The next year you might have something entirely different.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Agreed.

Most importantly though, I'm looking forward to the day when people judge me for what I do, how I act, who I am, etc., instead of what I look like.

All these racial/gender/etc questions they ask on college entrance exams, employment, etc., just perpetuate the problem.
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TheEngineer
15 years ago
In regards to the firefighting, it appears the promotions were for positions of Captain or Lieutenant. The exams, I would assume, concern more about leadership, organisation, competence, decision making etc. in addition to physical ability. In a way, I think there's less predictive power of the exam to determine good leaders (they could just be poor at taking exams) than it is at assessing the physical/technical capability of a firefighter. But on the other hand, it worries me that someone unfitting of the position is promoted ahead of another whom has greater potential on the grounds of ethnicity.

But PC is everywhere these days. I'm almost resigned to the fact that women have significantly greater chance to land a job due to that gender equality/balance that the engineering profession is aiming for. (In fact, 2007 was Engineers Australia's "The Year of Women in Engineering".)
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Trippster
15 years ago
forced Equality = less qualified



The Government wanted My family's business to do contract work with them. But they told my dad that we didn't have enough minorities in management. (there were three "managers. My dad, myself, my sister). Even though there was a 35% minority in the production end.

My dad told them to "pound sand".

Then later, the production end came to us and wanted to form a union. My dad very simply said, "form a union and we will close the doors."

I appreciate the fact my dad is an independant thinker and did not cave into pressure to be "politically correct". He did what wa right.
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vegOmatic
15 years ago

As I have stated on Student Senate many times, I firmly believe that college admissions should be gender- and color-neutral. In other words, I don't think admissions counselors should even see the applicants' names until after they've made the decision whether or not to admit them. If it happens that one year you have 70:30 male:female and 81:19 black:white ratio, so be it. The next year you might have something entirely different.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



I was denied grants and loans when I went back to college. I remember filling out the forms and had to check off the "Ugly White Guy" box.

I ended up having to pay cash up front at the start of each semester. I had money in savings since I had been working for a while and was able to work part of the time but I'm still POed at the process.

In the end, I got my butt through college and I have no sympathy for anyone who can't figure out a way to do it WITH a loan and even less respect for those who blame the color of their skin or background.

If I did it anyone can do it because I'm no smarter than anyone else. The only difference between me and those who make excuses is Determination.
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vegOmatic
15 years ago

In regards to the firefighting, it appears the promotions were for positions of Captain or Lieutenant. The exams, I would assume, concern more about leadership, organisation, competence, decision making etc. in addition to physical ability. In a way, I think there's less predictive power of the exam to determine good leaders (they could just be poor at taking exams) than it is at assessing the physical/technical capability of a firefighter. But on the other hand, it worries me that someone unfitting of the position is promoted ahead of another whom has greater potential on the grounds of ethnicity.

But PC is everywhere these days. I'm almost resigned to the fact that women have significantly greater chance to land a job due to that gender equality/balance that the engineering profession is aiming for. (In fact, 2007 was Engineers Australia's "The Year of Women in Engineering".)

"TheEngineer" wrote:



It's not known what is in the exams but it could be a number of different things. There could be a psychology portion to determine statistically certain personality traits. People who grow up in different backgrounds can be at a disadvantage when taking these tests.

oral and written tests will definitely weed out those who grew up in certain environments that are culturally based. Minorities can be at a disadvantage for this but if you can't communicate or function at a certain level then you ain't qualified to do the job.

I grew up in a five room 700 square foot house with no basement because we were far from having economic advantages and it's true, my environment and neighborhood did put me at a disadvantage when it came to competing with people who had a more fortunate upbringing.

Regardless, I would probably be much farther along in life if I could always use the excuse "I had it tough wah boo hoo."
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