RaiderPride
15 years ago
This is Brett's thread, and heretofore I felt this needed to be posted here.

"Theres a line of thought that Favre risks his legacy every time he decides to stretch his career. The popular refrain goes that if he falls flat, hell be remembered as the quarterback who tried to put one over on Father Time instead of as the dynamic swashbuckler of his prime. Thats nonsense. Willie Mays pushed his career past the limit yet does anyone regard him as anything less than one of baseballs all-time greats? Muhammad Ali took a few too many punches during the twilight of his career and did that taint what he accomplished in the earlier years? "

The above is part of an Op Ed and needed to be posted in Brett's Thread (Full Op Ed Below.) Especially since it is not from a Green Bay scribe, a Vikings scribe, or even from any writer within in the NFC North.

No.... It is a view from outside the glass walls of the NFC North and comes to us from Buffalo, of all God Forbidden places?

Read away boys and girls... Enjoy!

http://www.buffalonews.com/opinion/columns/bobdicesare/story/671103.html 
""People Will Probably Never Remember What You Said, And May Never Remember What You Did. However, People Will Always Remember How You Made Them Feel."
Cheesey
15 years ago
I myself have never said if he wants to play he shouldn't. He has that right.
I DO think he's pushing it though.
The guy mentioned some all time greats from other sports that over stayed their greatness. Muhammed Ali is mentioned. I can't help but wonder if Ali over staying his "prime" might be why he's the shell of a man he once was. Did he take one too many shots to the head in his later years, that caused damage that we see today? If he would have quit when it was obvious that he was near the end of his storied career, maybe he would have his health today.
I don't want to see Favre like i saw Bart Starr back in the early 1970's. He lost "it", and looked awful and took alot of hits.
I'd like to see Favre quit with his health still decent. One bad hit, and he could end up regretting his attempt to keep his career alive.
In the end, only he makes the decision.
I hope that it turns out to be the right one for him in the end.
UserPostedImage
Greg C.
15 years ago
"Heres hoping he plays until hes 50."

Does this guy really want to see a fifty-year-old man playing football? There is something almost ghoulish about some of these Favre boosters.

"his passion is off the charts...his enthusiasm is unrivaled...."

It used to be. It's not anymore. He can no longer sustain it for long periods of time.

"It was during that time that Favre learned that openness and honesty can blow up in your face...."

Honesty and openness? All I can say is: Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

"The popular refrain goes that if he falls flat, hell be remembered as the quarterback who tried to put one over on Father Time instead of as the dynamic swashbuckler of his prime. Thats nonsense."

He goes on to mention Mays and Ali. Usually you hear comparisons to Namath and Unitas, and it begins something like this: "When you think of Joe Namath, you don't remember the old quarterback who played too long." But in fact that IS what a lot of people remember. And that's why it gets mentioned over and over, even by people who claim not to remember it.

"There are reports that he wants nothing to do with organized team activities or minicamps and questions whether he needs a full training camp. And how does this make him different from Roger Clemens, who had a sweetheart deal late in his career?"

Now we are truly in La-La Land. Clemens was a pitcher. He played every five days or so, and there was no need for him to collaborate with his teammates. All he had to do was get up there and throw the ball. A QB needs to have a way more intricate relationship with his team than a pitcher does, and that takes time and commitment.

In addition, this guy never even mentions the fact that Favre specifically wants to play for the arch-rival of the team where he built his legacy. That's what has so many fans angry. I think most of us would be fine with him continuing to play just for the sake of playing. But it's about revenge against his former team. That's low-class behavior.
blank
dingus
15 years ago

I myself have never said if he wants to play he shouldn't. He has that right.
I DO think he's pushing it though.
The guy mentioned some all time greats from other sports that over stayed their greatness. Muhammed Ali is mentioned. I can't help but wonder if Ali over staying his "prime" might be why he's the shell of a man he once was. Did he take one too many shots to the head in his later years, that caused damage that we see today? If he would have quit when it was obvious that he was near the end of his storied career, maybe he would have his health today.
I don't want to see Favre like i saw Bart Starr back in the early 1970's. He lost "it", and looked awful and took alot of hits.
I'd like to see Favre quit with his health still decent. One bad hit, and he could end up regretting his attempt to keep his career alive.
In the end, only he makes the decision.
I hope that it turns out to be the right one for him in the end.

"Cheesey" wrote:



Cheesey-
It's pretty much a foregone conclusion that Ali's condition is based in the beating's he took in the later part of his career. If you can, watch "Thrilla in Manilla" a documentary on HBO, I think it's still playing.
blank
Cheesey
15 years ago
Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.
UserPostedImage
dd80forever
15 years ago

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"Cheesey" wrote:



That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing
blank
Cheesey
15 years ago

Thanks Dingus.
Thats what i thought. Ali was "the greatest", but didn't know when it was time to quit. He's paying for it DEARLY now.
I do NOT want that to happen to Favre. If thats considered "selfish" by some, for me to think that way, so be it.

If he does play, and does get hurt, i'll say "i told you so" to those that blasted me, or labeled me a "Favre hater" for saying i want him to walk away while he can still walk.
He doesn't need to prove anything to anyone.....not even to himself. He IS one of the all time best. There is NO need to prove anything to anyone.
JMO of course, for what it's worth.

"dd80forever" wrote:



That's not up to you decide though, that's up to Brett. Brett may get banged up but he's not going to be like Ali.

It's a risk all players take. Football is a violent game. If you live in fear of injuries you might as well try golfing

"Cheesey" wrote:


Geez.......i have stated PLENTY of times that it's NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE.
How many times do i have to say it's MY OPINION?
You DO know that players have suffered life threatening or life altering injuries, right?
ALL i have said is i do NOT want that to happen to Favre.
Am i somehow WRONG to say that????
I think some who want him to keep playing are being more selfish then my wanting him to quit.
I hope i end up being wrong, and he doesn't get hurt. But he's getting OLD in football years, and it's more likely he could get hurt BADLY now.

If that ticks you off that i don't want him to get injured, so be it.
UserPostedImage
dd80forever
15 years ago

[quote="dd80forever"]
You DO know that players have suffered life threatening or life altering injuries, right?

"Cheesey" wrote:



How many of those guys were 40?

Were they injuries suffered because they were 40 or was it because of a Freak Accident?
blank
Cheesey
15 years ago

[quote="dd80forever"]
You DO know that players have suffered life threatening or life altering injuries, right?

"dd80forever" wrote:



How many of those guys were 40?

Were they injuries suffered because they were 40 or was it because of a Freak Accident?

"Cheesey" wrote:


THATS THE POINT!
Most players in the NFL don't MAKE it to 40 and are still able to play.
Geez.......I thought you would figure that out by yourself.
If you ignore that as you get older, you are more likely to get injured, you arn't being honest.
Favre did NOT have the "escapeability" last year that he had in years past. That will NOT improve with age.
Plus the fact that he has dodged the bad injury for 17 years, to me at least, means the odds are getting to be more and more against him.

It's rare that a guy 40 can even PLAY in the NFL.
I HOPE nothing bad happens to him. But the odds are getting worse as he gets older.
Thats all i mean.
It's not my decision, and BF doesn't care what i think anyway, so why is it a big deal to you WHAT i think?
UserPostedImage
longtimefan
15 years ago
What does it mean to YOU when Brett said the Paackers were worried about his legacy?????

In other words what did the Packers think was going to happen for them to want to worry about his legacy?



you in general terms as in everyone here
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (4m) : Fills the openin they had
buckeyepackfan (56m) : Sean Clifford signed to 53 man roster.
Martha Careful (8h) : Two terrific NCAA Football Semi-Final Games...We can only hope the Championship game is as good
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : Eagles WR DeVonta Smith will be a DNP in today’s practice. He’s dealing with back tightness. But the expectation is that he’ll play Sunday.
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : Jalen Hurts has cleared the concussion protocol. He’s playing Sunday.
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : 𝕏avier McKinney First Team All-Pro
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : NFL moves Vikings-Rams playoff tilt to Arizona due to fires
Zero2Cool (10-Jan) : Rams lose home field advantage for Monday game.
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame=Notre Dame, Luckeyes=Ohio State, Pedo St=Penn St
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : ... It clearly was not what we were supposed to be in, certainly."
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : Hafley says 3rd and 11 call there was a miscommunication.
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : The only team I know is Texas from that. Who are the other three?
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Notre Lame vs Pedo St tonight and the Luckeyes vs Texas tomorrow
Mucky Tundra (9-Jan) : Stud
Zero2Cool (9-Jan) : E. Cooper. Rookie of Month. Defense.
Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : @AaronNagler · 2m Both Jordan Love and Malik Willis were Limited participants at Packers practice today.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson didn't make it until 2020. Ring 2023. 🤷 Personally, he should have been in years prior to Hall.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : HUMP DAY
beast (8-Jan) : Guys that have a good shot at making the NFL Hall of Fame usually get into their teams pretty fast
beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, but is Kampman and the others in the NFL Hall of Fame?
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Johnson was Hall of Fame, 2020. Should haev been in Ring a year later, not three years.
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I could be wrong there though
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Guys like Kampman, Tim Harris, Al Harris, etc all over 15 years. Hall of Fame is 5 year wait
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : I guess I see players in Packers Hall come way later
beast (8-Jan) : Yeah, usually teams hall of fames are a much lower bar than the NFL
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : is it uncommon for Hall before Ring?
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : S Xavier McKinney named first-team All-Pro by NFLPA
beast (8-Jan) : I missed it, sorry, but he got into the NFL Hall of Fame years before that
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Jones took his sweet ole time!
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Yeah, he's in the ring of honor, just saw video and his name is up there
Zero2Cool (8-Jan) : Didn't they have a thing in 2023 for Jimmy's ring of honor? I swear I saw it
beast (8-Jan) : Though if they're legitimately trying to re-sign MM, then it makes sense.
beast (8-Jan) : Jerry Jones still hasn't put Jimmy Johnson in the Ring of Honor, but he's in the NFL's Hall of Fame, Jones is petty
Mucky Tundra (8-Jan) : Unless the Cowboys are planning an extension, seems kinda petty
beast (8-Jan) : Cowboys denied Bears request
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : From what I'm reading, MM is under contract through the 14th of January; after that he's free game
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : McCarthy let go or not extended??
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Chicago Bears have asked the Dallas Cowboys permission to interview Mike McCarthy for head coaching vacancy
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : The winners page that is
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : I was not hoping for that. It messes up the page lol
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3.
beast (6-Jan) : Thank you, and I was really opening we were going to get 4 or more tied for the top 3
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats beast on 2024 !
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : congrats porky on winning 2023 pick'em! (oops sorry)
Zero2Cool (6-Jan) : Packers have $60M+ of 2025 cap space on paper TODAY.
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Missed FG into a Lions TD; that'll do pig, that'll do
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : That might be it for the Vikings
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : Oh so the refs do know what intentional grounding is
Mucky Tundra (6-Jan) : what the hell was that Goff?! Not much pressure and he just air mails it to Harrison
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / buckeyepackfan

17h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

10-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

10-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Jan / Around The NFL / beast

9-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

9-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

8-Jan / Around The NFL / beast

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / wpr

7-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

7-Jan / Fantasy Sports Talk / Zero2Cool

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

6-Jan / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.