Announcement NEED YOUR TESTING HELP! Please bounce around PackerPeople.com using your same PackersHome login/password and let me know if it's good, bad, needs fixed, etc ... I wanna get some decent testing before going live.
Dulak
16 years ago
Well TT's theory of being the very cautions man either will work or it wont. ie we could lose on a very good player if someone grabs im between now and after the draft.

But it makes sense to wait ...

I wouldnt feel bad thou like some people if we picked up carter; actually quite good.
MattG04
16 years ago

I agree with Nick, but also hoping we land a really good DE in the draft who can immediately start and generate pressure.

What went wrong in '08 was the QB had way too much time to throw. He'd have a full second and a half more than Aaron Rodgers had, sometimes even averaging two whole seconds more than Aaron.

And that's one of the main reasons we went from 14-4 to 6-10. Our main priorities need to be our lines.

I'd be for signing one or the other plus picking up some big boys in the draft.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Not trying to be a nitpicker but now that we run a 3-4, Defensive Ends arnt the ones generating pressure, they are there to take up space and free up lanes for our LB's to get to the quarterback. Which is why most 3-4 DE's are supposed to be huge (300+ pounds) and why we are looking at hybrid DE/OLBs in the draft such as Mabin and Orakpo.
That said, I think we all agree that we need some depth on the defensive line. 🙂
blank
DarkaneRules
16 years ago
Right, but in essence they are still generating pressure aren't they? I see pressure as the whole D-lines job no matter what scheme you run or is that mindset overly simplistic?
Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance
MattG04
16 years ago
Well, obviously they want to get to the quarterback, and they will eventually. But what Im saying is that's not their main goal as in a 4-3. I coach a high school 3-4 defensive team, and I know they are two totally different levels, just from my experience though, we don't preach pass rush pass rush pass rush, we want our DE's to take up two blockers so it frees up our OLB to get a hit on the quarterback.
blank
Rios39
16 years ago

Right, but in essence they are still generating pressure aren't they? I see pressure as the whole D-lines job no matter what scheme you run or is that mindset overly simplistic?

"DarkaneRules" wrote:



Not really, DE's are more for eating blockers to create easy lanes for the LB's that are blitzing. The NT is more impact then the DE because they need to eat 2 blocked plus push the pocket back. Which is why I don't think it's necessary to over pay and send long term contracts to guys like Canty and others.

We can probably draft a few DT's and put them at DE if they are around 295-305. Any pressure they create will be an added bonus.
blank
MattG04
16 years ago
Exactly, Rios. Which is why there is so much debate on who we should sign/draft and to whether what position our current players will play in the new scheme. I've seen some people say well it doesnt matter how much they weigh they can still play that position, well they really cant because their skill set is the exact opposite of what the 3-4 defense needs. A lot of the great 3-4 DE's now, Richard Seymour, Hitoli Nagata, played DT at one point or another.
blank
MassPackersFan
16 years ago
In those debates I usually quote Capers saying we won't try to fit players to a scheme.
UserPostedImage
MattG04
16 years ago
Capers did say that, but they are already doing that? Kampman to OLB? Jolly and Harrell moving to DE? Hawk to the MLB? He already has fit players to his scheme. It's all Public Relations IMO, I take anything the coaches say in press conferences with a grain of salt. To me Capers quote is like McCarthy saying "We need better pad level".
blank
Zero2Cool
16 years ago

Capers did say that, but they are already doing that? Kampman to OLB? Jolly and Harrell moving to DE? Hawk to the MLB? He already has fit players to his scheme. It's all Public Relations IMO, I take anything the coaches say in press conferences with a grain of salt. To me Capers quote is like McCarthy saying "We need better pad level".

"MattG04" wrote:



Did he?

You think Kampman would be more effective as DE than OLB in a 3 - 4?
You think Hawk would be more effective as OLB than ILB in a 3 - 4?
You think Jolly and Harrell would be more effective as NT than DE in a 3 - 4?


I think those were logical moves and its more so fitting their talents to the scheme.
UserPostedImage
MattG04
16 years ago
They are logical moves, your right, but I don't think its fair to say that we won't try to fit players to the scheme when that's exactly what hes doing. I would have made those same moves as well.
blank
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    Zero2Cool (19h) : Soft hope plan is having fantasy football weekly on-site that i build. cannot do that with this setup.
    Zero2Cool (19h) : It's older technology, resource hog, cannot be upgraded/changed. That's to start.
    packerfanoutwest (20h) : Ok, but what is wrong with this site?
    Zero2Cool (22h) : check out packerpeople.com
    Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Oh crap I missed that! I thought it was a 2026 pick
    Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : It wasn't even next year pick, it's two years away. old dog food value
    Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Yep! Everytime a team trades with Howie that team is the loser (so says the media)
    Zero2Cool (25-Aug) : We are hosed.
    Mucky Tundra (25-Aug) : Per Schefter, GB is sending a 6th rounder for OT Darian Kennard
    Zero2Cool (24-Aug) : Finally got new site to keep folks logged in. New tech is pain sometimes
    dfosterf (23-Aug) : Taylor Elgersma is going to be very hard to hide.
    Mucky Tundra (23-Aug) : Matthew Golden=DAWG (so load the wagons!!) !!!!!
    dfosterf (18-Aug) : We do have good depth at running back imo. Still so frustrating. Bitching about it is a futile excercise, which I plan to do anyway.
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Whoops, I thought Zero was saying it was a surprise the Brewers lost and not Lloyd being hurt
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : Not a surprise; inevitable
    Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : Brewers streak ends at 14
    Zero2Cool (17-Aug) : SURPRISE
    Mucky Tundra (17-Aug) : @mattschneidman Matt LaFleur on MarShawn Lloyd: “He’s gonna miss some time.”
    Mucky Tundra (16-Aug) : CLIFFORD WITH THE TD WITH UNDER 2 TO GO!!!!!
    Zero2Cool (16-Aug) : 90 MINUTES UNTIL FAKE KICKOFF!!
    Martha Careful (16-Aug) : I think Ruven is a bot, but regardless should be stricken from the site.
    Zero2Cool (14-Aug) : Packers RB Josh Jacobs ranked No. 33 in NFL 'Top 100'
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : The LVN Musgrave collision- Andy Herman said Musgrave seemed to be the one most impacted injury-wise
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : a lower back injury
    dfosterf (13-Aug) : Doubs says he's "fine" after injury scare. Some reported it as z
    Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : With LVN that is; need to see what happens in the next practice
    Mucky Tundra (13-Aug) : beast, reading about what happened, it sounded like one of those "two guys collide and are moving slow afterwards" type of deals
    beast (12-Aug) : I believe Musgrave has been injured every single season since at least a Sophomore in highschool
    packerfanoutwest (12-Aug) : Matt LaFleur: “Highly unlikely” Jordan Love plays more this preseason
    dfosterf (12-Aug) : Doubs, Savion Williams, LVN, Musgrave all banged up to one degree or another, missing one here I forget
    Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : RB Tyrion Davis-Price is signing with the Green Bay Packers.
    Zero2Cool (12-Aug) : zero help, dominated. preseason
    beast (12-Aug) : QB Jordan Love has surgery
    beast (12-Aug) : Martha said Morgan had a lot of help, I didn't watch the OL so I can't say.
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers LT Jordan Morgan did not allow a single pressure across 23 pass-blocking snaps vs. Jets last night, per PFF
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : With buckeye and the reasonable couple, we're currently sitting at 10
    buckeyepackfan (10-Aug) : Just posted to re-up on our FFL.
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : If healthy after, then thats all I care. Well, no drops would be nice
    wpr (10-Aug) : I made it through the 1st Q.
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Just gotta figure out how.
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Could have been a worse start, so there is that.
    beast (10-Aug) : Yeah, someone tell the Packers football season has started, seems like they weren't ready for it
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : Sooooooo many penalties
    Mucky Tundra (10-Aug) : It may only be preseason, but this game is a trip to the dentist
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do bad -- FREAK OUT!!!!!!
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Packers do good -- eh only preseason
    dfosterf (10-Aug) : Well that half was fun
    Zero2Cool (10-Aug) : Great, zayne is down
    Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : 13 minutes away from kickkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkoffff
    Zero2Cool (9-Aug) : Had Celebration of Life for my uncle up north. wicked rain hope it dont come south
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2025 Packers Schedule
    Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
    COMMANDERS
    Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
    Browns
    Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
    Cowboys
    Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
    BENGALS
    Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
    Cardinals
    Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
    Steelers
    Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
    PANTHERS
    Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
    EAGLES
    Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
    Giants
    Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Lions
    Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
    Broncos
    Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
    Bears
    Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
    RAVENS
    Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
    Vikings
    Recent Topics
    28m / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

    1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / isaiah

    9h / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

    10h / Fantasy Sports Talk / porky88

    25-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

    24-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    24-Aug / Around The NFL / beast

    23-Aug / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

    22-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    21-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    20-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

    19-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    18-Aug / Around The NFL / isaiah

    18-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

    17-Aug / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.