Nick Barnett thinks we need more help on the D-Line· Page 2

Dulak
Veteran Member

15 years ago

Well TT's theory of being the very cautions man either will work or it wont. ie we could lose on a very good player if someone grabs im between now and after the draft.

But it makes sense to wait ...

I wouldnt feel bad thou like some people if we picked up carter; actually quite good.

MattG04
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15 years ago

#12

I agree with Nick, but also hoping we land a really good DE in the draft who can immediately start and generate pressure.

What went wrong in '08 was the QB had way too much time to throw. He'd have a full second and a half more than Aaron Rodgers had, sometimes even averaging two whole seconds more than Aaron.

And that's one of the main reasons we went from 14-4 to 6-10. Our main priorities need to be our lines.

I'd be for signing one or the other plus picking up some big boys in the draft.

"zombieslayer" wrote:

Not trying to be a nitpicker but now that we run a 3-4, Defensive Ends arnt the ones generating pressure, they are there to take up space and free up lanes for our LB's to get to the quarterback. Which is why most 3-4 DE's are supposed to be huge (300+ pounds) and why we are looking at hybrid DE/OLBs in the draft such as Mabin and Orakpo.
That said, I think we all agree that we need some depth on the defensive line. 🙂

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DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

15 years ago

#13

Right, but in essence they are still generating pressure aren't they? I see pressure as the whole D-lines job no matter what scheme you run or is that mindset overly simplistic?

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

MattG04
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15 years ago

#14

Well, obviously they want to get to the quarterback, and they will eventually. But what Im saying is that's not their main goal as in a 4-3. I coach a high school 3-4 defensive team, and I know they are two totally different levels, just from my experience though, we don't preach pass rush pass rush pass rush, we want our DE's to take up two blockers so it frees up our OLB to get a hit on the quarterback.

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Rios39
Member

15 years ago

#15

Right, but in essence they are still generating pressure aren't they? I see pressure as the whole D-lines job no matter what scheme you run or is that mindset overly simplistic?

"DarkaneRules" wrote:

Not really, DE's are more for eating blockers to create easy lanes for the LB's that are blitzing. The NT is more impact then the DE because they need to eat 2 blocked plus push the pocket back. Which is why I don't think it's necessary to over pay and send long term contracts to guys like Canty and others.

We can probably draft a few DT's and put them at DE if they are around 295-305. Any pressure they create will be an added bonus.

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MattG04
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15 years ago

#16

Exactly, Rios. Which is why there is so much debate on who we should sign/draft and to whether what position our current players will play in the new scheme. I've seen some people say well it doesnt matter how much they weigh they can still play that position, well they really cant because their skill set is the exact opposite of what the 3-4 defense needs. A lot of the great 3-4 DE's now, Richard Seymour, Hitoli Nagata, played DT at one point or another.

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MassPackersFan
Member

15 years ago

#17

In those debates I usually quote Capers saying we won't try to fit players to a scheme.

MattG04
Registered

15 years ago

#18

Capers did say that, but they are already doing that? Kampman to OLB? Jolly and Harrell moving to DE? Hawk to the MLB? He already has fit players to his scheme. It's all Public Relations IMO, I take anything the coaches say in press conferences with a grain of salt. To me Capers quote is like McCarthy saying "We need better pad level".

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

15 years ago

#19

"MattG04" wrote:

Did he?

You think Kampman would be more effective as DE than OLB in a 3 - 4?
You think Hawk would be more effective as OLB than ILB in a 3 - 4?
You think Jolly and Harrell would be more effective as NT than DE in a 3 - 4?

I think those were logical moves and its more so fitting their talents to the scheme.

MattG04
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15 years ago

#20

They are logical moves, your right, but I don't think its fair to say that we won't try to fit players to the scheme when that's exactly what hes doing. I would have made those same moves as well.

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