I pretty much knew we had a real winner after the first game. Remember the very first series? Thanks for absolutely nothing, Mr. offensive line. There is no indication that this kid is anything but an incredibly lucky acquisition. He has the arm (I'm not sure he did coming out of college, but he certainly has it now) He has the accuracy (he runs into some troubles on the move, but see offensive line comments) He throws very FEW BONED-HEADED PASSES-- only we Packer fans would have put up with THAT shit, btw.

Some might argue "he hasn't won any games for us"... I think that's a bullshit argument, but that's just me. On another thread I stated (and meant) that Aaron Rodgers is a better keystone for the future than Brett. I was not looking to get a "rise" out of anyone... I have taken the pluses and the minuses of both of them, and it is THE absolutely most logical comparison to make to all my fellow Packer fans... Aaron Rodgers is exponentially a better quarterback at this stage of the game than Brett was and is. I will even go you one better. If Ted Thompson tried to acquire a QB like Wolf got Brett, many would be calling for his crucifiction...and yes, I am mis-spelling the word on purpose...think about it.

If he does good again this year you still wont give admit to him being good...We heard last year wait till teams get tape on him, he wont be as good....You realize the 2nd half of the year he put up better numbesr?

Sure did help to have tape on him..

Face it DH, you hate him so much, you want to find fault with any thing he does wrong. He put up stellar numbers yet you say he never won ( and I AGREE)...

I can just see your argument this year...if he wins a lot but #'s are down, your going to say yeah but he didnt get 3000 yards..

You actually remind me of the Favre droolers over on Bretts message board..No matter what---Rodgers was always wrong, and Brett was always right


You know Cal2GreenBay??? was so biased for Rodgers here that most people just got sick and tired of his posts...

Your his twin but for the other side of the fence...

You have such a great passion for the sport, but your allowing your hatred for one player to cloud EVERYTHING else..

I don't know if Rodgers is a franchise qb. I do know that he won me over last year with his cool demeanor and TOUGHNESS. I think his shoulder was injured a lot worse than people realize.

You can here him wince in pain in this  video when he throws the ball.

But he played on; and played well.

If there is one thing I require in my quarterback, its toughness; both mentally and physically. Aaron has both.

I think this is a non-argument. We have the man for the job.

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Hazer-

your example of Walker as a franchise WR is interesting.

Your boy Teddy sure screwed that one up, huh?

Imagine giving an unproven injury prone player that much money!

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Walker and Jennings are two different players and human beings for that matter. I think they're apples and oranges and you could contribute Walker's downfall to injury as well.

I wasn't for giving Walker a bigger contract. I am for Jennings and that's because I don't think Brett Favre made Greg Jennings better than what he really is and I think Greg Jennings is a humbled player and they tend to last along time.

I think Matt Ryan is a franchise QB. I'd take Matt Ryan over Aaron Rodgers actually. I think Matt Ryan is special and I think he possess similar traits that I've seen only in Brett Favre and Peyton Manning.

I honestly don't need numbers or other things to tell me who is what and who isn't. I just judge the player by watching them play.

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"Holy Tornado"
"That's how we do it in Chico!"
"I am Golthar the Terrible! What have I to fear from Rome?"


Hiliarious.

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You guys just don't get my point. I brought up Walker as a player with 1 great year and wanted big bucks and when he got it he has done squat. As far as the qbs i say i will not call them stars after one year. That is not that hard to understand.

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Rodgers played like a star in his first season, no question. Can he continue on that level? We'll see and if he does then he'll be solidified as a star.


I think I get your point about Walker, but I think it's a bit far fetched. Walker showed his talent right away and gradually blossomed. Rodgers didn't have that luxury. He had a few years of bench warming to a legend and then was thrown into the fire. He did well, his first year. We'll have to see how he does after that.

By luxury I mean in your perception of 'star' that is. I think being on the bench for Rodgers behind Brett was the best thing to happen to him and his career and the Packers. Brett going back and forth with retirement forced Rodgers to prepare each season like he was the man. Sure it was stressful at times I bet, but it did wonders to prepare him. I think anyhow.

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DH, your franchise player= someone that can perform at a high level consistently?