IronMan
  • IronMan
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
16 years ago
link 


He watched in stunned silence as his NFC championship qualifying team from a year ago crumbled. He was criticized heavily for trading quarterback Brett Favre. And he oversaw the firings of nearly half the coaching staff after the Packers disastrous 6-10 campaign.

Perhaps no other general manager in Packers history, with the possible exception of Dan Devine, has been the focal point of so much vitriol from the fan base.

Whats ironic is that most of the anger directed at Thompson stems from one of his few good moves during the past year. His decision to jettison the over-the-hill Favre in favor of ascending quarterback Aaron Rodgers was both courageous and wise, even if it instigated a civil war among fans.

Many will never forgive Thompson for trading the legendary Favre to the New York Jets, even if it was absolutely the correct move. Assuming the pro-Favre backers eventually end their temper tantrum, they will realize there are more compelling reasons to be ticked off at Thompson.

Nearly everything Thompson touched in 2008 turned to stone. Its imperative that Thompson shake out of his slump if the Packers want to return to prosperity.

Some critical mistakes contributed to the Packers franchise-record seven-game slide that turned one of the best teams in the league into one of the worst:

# Former Packers General Manager Mike Sherman wrote the book on bad defensive line decisions. Who can forget busts like Joe Johnson, Cletidus Hunt, Kenny Peterson, James Lee and Donnell Washington?

Well, Thompson added some chapters to Shermans sad story. For starters, Thompson bet the family farm on injury-prone 2007 first-round draft pick Justin Harrell and lost. His faith in Harrell led to the trade of Corey Williams last off-season. The acquisition of a second-round draft choice for the seemingly expendable and high-priced Williams appeared shrewd at the time, but when Harrell flopped, it left a gaping hole in the middle of the line. It didnt help that Thompson used that draft pick to select quarterback Brian Brohm, who was relegated to third-string inactive status all season.

Thompson then made a $6 million blunder when he kept Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila on the opening-day roster. It didnt take long to figure out the aging KGB had nothing left, and the Packers cut him at mid-season but were obligated to pay his full salary. Thats a lot of wasted cash, but worse, the line was left in shambles with no depth. Thompson failed to provide enough manpower at one of the most important positions, and the Packers paid the price with several late-game defensive collapses.

# What could Thompson have been thinking when he traded back six spots and out of the first round last April? This is no knock on Jordy Nelson, who was a serviceable No. 3 or No. 4 receiver and was selected with the 36th overall pick. But Thompson needed to bolster his defense, and end Phillip Merling and safety Kenny Phillips were still on the board when the Packers were holding their original No. 30 pick. Thompson has virtually ignored the defense in the last two drafts, devoting just five of 20 picks to that side of the ball with no starters in the bunch. His penchant for trading down and accumulating extra picks worked early in his tenure when Thompson was rebuilding the roster. But now the Packers need some immediate impact, which means picking as high in the draft as possible.

# Thompson did no favors to the Packers special teams, another factor in several of the teams narrow defeats. He should nail this banner to his Lambeau Field office wall: If it aint broke, dont fix it.

Jon Ryan wasnt a problem punter, yet the Packers inexplicably thought they could do better with Washington Redskins castoff Derrick Frost. The disastrous decision to cut Ryan resulted in three months of punting misery, left the Packers constantly playing catch-up in the field position battle and ultimately sent special teams coach Mike Stock into retirement.

Another gaffe was the decision to cut the best special teams player on the team, Tracy White, in early October. Stock admitted the day after the season ended that losing White hurt, and hinted he had nothing to do with the move. If Thompson truly believes special teams are important, then why get rid of a star performer? No wonder the Packers finished dead last in the NFL in kickoff returns, and the kickoff team failed in some crucial late-game situations.

# Any excuse for not having Ryan Grant signed by the start of training camp is a bad one. Grants agent publicly blasted the Packers last summer for their nonchalant approach to negotiations, and who could blame him? Right or wrong, the Packers concluded following the 2007 season that Grant was their go-to running back for the foreseeable future. So instead of dilly-dallying around, Thompson needed to get him signed. Instead, Grant arrived a week late, predictably suffered an injury, and then was slow out of the gate. Grant needed the full benefits of the off-season program, training camp and the exhibition season. Management is supposed to put players in the best position to succeed, but Thompson failed to deliver.

Mike Vandermause is sports editor of the Press-Gazette.

Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
Vandermause raises some valid points, but you do have to consider the source. As far as Vandermause is concerned, nothing Ted Thompson ever does is right. He's an unabashed Thompson critic and doesn't even pretend to be objective.
UserPostedImage
TheEngineer
16 years ago

Vandermause raises some valid points, but you do have to consider the source. As far as Vandermause is concerned, nothing Ted Thompson ever does is right. He's an unabashed Thompson critic and doesn't even pretend to be objective.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



This.
blank
dhazer
16 years ago

Vandermause raises some valid points, but you do have to consider the source. As far as Vandermause is concerned, nothing Ted Thompson ever does is right. He's an unabashed Thompson critic and doesn't even pretend to be objective.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Well he said trading Favre was the best way to go which is praise towards TT. But the rest are valid points. But i won't go any farther because everyone knows how i feel of TT.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
UserPostedImage
mi_keys
16 years ago
He raises some good points but I'd like to say a couple things.

1.) It was a 5 game slide, not a 7 game slide. I get really annoyed when people get paid to write or talk about sports and they can't get simple facts like this right.

2.) He says to get an impact player you have to draft as early as possible. Well TT's two earliest draft picks have been Harrell and Hawk. Harrell hasn't been able to stay healthy and Hawk hasn't lived up to his potential past his rookie season (though I still believe he'll turn it around and be a good linebacker for us). TT's best pick was Greg Jennings and he traded down to get him instead of taking the receiver New England ended up taking in Chad Jackson. Jackson has 14 career receptions and has only played in 18 games. Getting a player that can have a major impact on your team during his rookie year is about doing your homework while scouting, not how early in the draft you're taking him.
Born and bred a cheesehead
Nonstopdrivel
16 years ago
+ 1 for your insights
UserPostedImage
IronMan
  • IronMan
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

Vandermause raises some valid points, but you do have to consider the source. As far as Vandermause is concerned, nothing Ted Thompson ever does is right. He's an unabashed Thompson critic and doesn't even pretend to be objective.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:


Thats not true. He has repeatedly praised Thompson for his handling of the Favre saga.
Greg C.
16 years ago

1.) It was a 5 game slide, not a 7 game slide. I get really annoyed when people get paid to write or talk about sports and they can't get simple facts like this right.

"mi_keys" wrote:



I did a double-take on that one too, then I realized what he meant: The Packers slid from 13 wins in 2007 to 6 wins in 2008.

I think this is a pretty accurate breakdown of the major things that went wrong from a GM standpoint. A lot of it is just hindsight, of course, but there are some that looked bad right from the beginning. The decision to cut Jon Ryan is an obvious one. Also, he lowballed Ryan Grant, which might have made sense had he stuck to it, but then he ended up signing Grant to a big contract anyway.

It was a tough year for Ted. I sure hope he has another good run in him. For a couple years there, he was shitting little gold coins.
blank
dfosterf
16 years ago
I am always wary of this kind of criticism. I try to remember what I thought about the decision at the time it was made, instead of the easy way to go, which is 20/20 hindsight. I read this article twice, the second time reminding myself of what I have just stated here. Hindsight is a large part of what we do on these forums, but that doesn't lessen my irritation at this type of critique, as Yondermouse doesn't post here, he "posts" in a world heavily populated with Ted Thompson haters...the haters that will continue to blindly hate due to the decision as regards a certain HOF quarterback, and he knows it.
IronMan
  • IronMan
  • Veteran Member Topic Starter
16 years ago

I am always wary of this kind of criticism. I try to remember what I thought about the decision at the time it was made, instead of the easy way to go, which is 20/20 hindsight. I read this article twice, the second time reminding myself of what I have just stated here. Hindsight is a large part of what we do on these forums, but that doesn't lessen my irritation at this type of critique, as Yondermouse doesn't post here, he "posts" in a world heavily populated with Ted Thompson haters...the haters that will continue to blindly hate due to the decision as regards a certain HOF quarterback, and he knows it.

"dfosterf" wrote:



Yet, Vandermause has said over and over again that Thompson made the right decision going with Rodgers. Mike Vandermause is not a Ted basher.

And as far as hindsight goes; several people, including myself, questioned at the time, his decision to draft an injured DT in the 1st round, and his decision to, a week before the regular season, cut Jon Ryan, who's 37.6 net average in 2007, was the best by a Packers punter in 38 years, and then replaces him with a guy that didn't even have a try out. That was a terrible decision. And several people said so at the time of the decision.
Fan Shout
dfosterf (15h) : It's my one day deal complaint dept. on shareholder meeting day
dfosterf (16h) : Probably a homer access credential intimidation kinda thing
dfosterf (16h) : Meathead "journalists" skip this, concentrating on operational revenue when convenient. They switch when net revenue is more favorable.
dfosterf (16h) : Resulting in an actual drop of net revenue of 12.5%. She is from Minnesota. Just sayin'
dfosterf (16h) : Any plans to hold Maureen Smith (CFO) accountable for a 95% drop in investment revenue?
Mucky Tundra (17h) : In your face, HBO!
Mucky Tundra (17h) : @ByRyanWood Mark Murphy: “A great source of pride of mine is that we were never on Hard Knocks.”
Mucky Tundra (17h) : *years
Mucky Tundra (17h) : @mattschneidman Mark Murphy says he anticipates “many Packers games” being played in Germany, Ireland and/or the U.K. over the next 5-10 yea
dfosterf (17h) : *cafeteria* I have hit my head also, so I sympathize
dfosterf (17h) : Possibly hit his head leaning into the glass protecting the food in the cafateria
dfosterf (17h) : Maybe a low flying drone
dfosterf (17h) : Did Savion Williams run into a goalpost or something?
Mucky Tundra (18h) : also, no bueno when a guy starts getting concussions right off the bat in his career
Zero2Cool (18h) : Concussion is worse. Banks probably vet off day via back booboo claim
Mucky Tundra (20h) : @AndyHermanNFL Jordy Nelson out at camp today. No word if he’s in play for one of the two open roster spots ; )
dfosterf (21h) : Is that better or worse than Banks bad back?
Zero2Cool (21h) : Savion concussion ... not good.
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Aaron Rodgers’s first pass of first team period was picked off
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : tbh I didn't hear of his passing
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Cosby Show. Malcom Jamal Warner I think is real name
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : I was thinking of Ozzy and Hulk
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Who's Theo?
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : How is Theo alliteration?
Mucky Tundra (24-Jul) : Bad week for people whose names are alliterations
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hulk Hogan gone too.
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Oh, it's toe injury
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Hope it's not serious. that would stink
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Sounds like an ankle not a knee for Fields
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Ya Flaccp on Browns
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Maybe Tyrod Taylor instead
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : He's on Browns, right?
dfosterf (24-Jul) : They would probably go with Flacco is my guess if Fields out
dfosterf (24-Jul) : Fleece 'em again!
Zero2Cool (24-Jul) : Malik Willis might be someone Jets come after
packerfanoutwest (24-Jul) : Packers introduce 1923-inspired classic uniform, leather-look helmet
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Both LB Quay Walker and Rookie DB Micah Robinson have passed their physicals
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Happy to see site feels more snappy snappy
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : No sir. I did not.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : You didn't get free childcare when you were at work?
wpr (23-Jul) : These guys make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Pay for their own childcare.
dfosterf (23-Jul) : 2nd issue. Number 1 issue was no gameday childcare. 1 of 3 teams not providing it
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Suppose if locker room is main issue, we sitting pretty
wpr (23-Jul) : I thought so Mucky. In those useless player polls GB always rates high overall. Locker is a part of it.
Mucky Tundra (23-Jul) : Wasn't the locker room just updated like 6 or 7 years ago?
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : I have forum updated on different site. We'll see how this one goes before going to that
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : Elgton Jenkins has a back injury, is expect to end contract dispute
wpr (23-Jul) : It's funny the PA complained about the locker room. It wasn't that long ago it was top shelf. Things change in a hurry.
wpr (23-Jul) : The site is much more better.
Zero2Cool (23-Jul) : NFLPA report said Packers lockerroom needed upgrade. Whining bout where you change?
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
17h / Around The NFL / Mucky Tundra

17h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

25-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

25-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

24-Jul / Around The NFL / beast

24-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

22-Jul / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

20-Jul / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.