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11 months ago

Even over the course of Van Ness’ rookie season, we saw this taking place as his production significantly improved down the stretch. Through Week 11, Van Ness had seven pressures, according to PFF, but five of those came Week 1 against the Bears, meaning that there eight games where he didn’t record a single pressure.

From Week 12 and on, however, Van Ness had 15 pressures and five sacks in the Packers’ final nine games. During that span, Van Ness would rank 34th out of 113 eligible edge rushers in PFF’s pass-rush productivity metric.

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I think most of the rest of the article is standard fluff that you can write any player changing schemes, but I thought they jump from week 12 on was an interesting stat worth noting.
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11 months ago
I am incredulous. I just hope he was physical immature and can develop into an average player.

At this point, I would have to believe he should have been more of a second or third rounder, but hope springs eternal.
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11 months ago

I am incredulous. I just hope he was physical immature and can develop into an average player.

At this point, I would have to believe he should have been more of a second or third rounder, but hope springs eternal.

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To be fair, we could have said (and a lot of people did say) the same thing about Rashan Gary after his first two years. Of course, this doesn't mean LVN is going to be a superstar, but it usually takes 2-3 years to really know what you have with defensive linemen.
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11 months ago

To be fair, we could have said (and a lot of people did say) the same thing about Rashan Gary after his first two years. Of course, this doesn't mean LVN is going to be a superstar, but it usually takes 2-3 years to really know what you have with defensive linemen.

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Since I am rarely ever right, I will point this out. When watching Gary, I would repeatedly point out he's beating his guy, he's getting in backfield, he's getting into QB's face. However, he wasn't getting sacks for tackles for a loss. I think the only other time I was right while the masses were going a different direction ... Davante Adams. Those first year or two folks wanted him gone and griped "why throw him the ball, he can't catch" and I would say ... dude is getting open at the line every time, that's why! haha.

Anyhow, onto something more important. In Madden Lukas Van Ness has become the all time sack leader, so ... I mean ... yeah.
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Van Ness' issues coming into the draft were that he lacked experience and development, especially at the edge rushing position as he was basically a college pass rushing DT and then spent about half of his final year as an edge rushers but was still rotating in at DT.

Also that he only had one pass rush move down, the bull rush. Now he was absolutely freaking great at the bullrush and if you're only going to have one move, then it should be the bull rush, as it sets up other moves the best, BUT at the NFL level, if the only guy knows it's going to be a bull rush every time, then they can prepare for it and do pretty well at it.

So basically Van Ness, needs more experience, development and to expand his pass rush move set, but I think all the physical skills are there to work with.


Also, I know some hated how LeFleur basically ripped a reporters head off for not knowing football when he was suggesting the 3-4 OLBers, aren't 4-3 DE, but I totally agree with LeFleur, that reporter was trying to tell him what to do, and the Packers 3-4 OLBers were absolutely huge for OLB and they do have 4-3 DE size, and basically are the same exact role, position, despite the label change.

The smallest edge rushers that the Packers had consistently seeing the field was Kingsley Enagbare, whom has lost some weight and now about 6'4" 260lbs, and Enagbare's weakness was limited athletic upside potential, but he was extremely physically and tough and could probably put on weight and play DT. So you can't tell me he wouldn't fit at 4-3 DE as well since he was currently playing 3-4 OLB.

The next smallest of the guys seeing the field is Preston Smith, at 6'5", 265lbs. Now Smith might lack the perfected pure power you want, but he more than makes up for that with freaking long arms, knowing how to use them extremely well to get leverage and containment. And Preston Smith has played multiple years as a 4-3 DE while in Washington... so you can't tell me he can't play 4-3 DE at the NFL level.


Some of the backups might be a bit smaller, but they haven't been seeing the field much.
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