beast
2 years ago

I've read this a few times about making adjustments and it's just plane false. He's making adjustments. It's just the adjustments are cutting bread with a fork instead of a spoon, lol. Even last game vs Eagles ... even the announcers noticed the defensive scheme change. I didn't see anyone here even hint at it. It's like people aren't watching and just bemoaning. 🤷‍♂️

This isn't to defend Joe Barry. I'm good if he's replaced. But, that's because this is like the third or fourth DC that I've seen allow CB's to play 5-7 yards off WR's an that just pisses me off. I'm not saying press every play, but when it's 3rd and 5? Ya'll press and press inside to remove slant and quick plays. 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

The subject that you are claiming false, is absolutely not what I was saying... you totally misunderstood.

Joe Barry absolutely is making adjustments... he's just extremely too late in making them...

Like the announcers and fans are openly stating he should make them a full drive before he actually makes them...

It's not that he isn't doing them... it's just that he's extremely extremely late in doing so...
UserPostedImage
go.pack.go.
2 years ago

The subject that you are claiming false, is absolutely not what I was saying... you totally misunderstood.

Joe Barry absolutely is making adjustments... he's just extremely too late in making them...

Like the announcers and fans are openly stating he should make them a full drive before he actually makes them...

It's not that he isn't doing them... it's just that he's extremely extremely late in doing so...

Originally Posted by: beast 



He’s making late adjustments now. He wasn’t early in the season. 

That’s not even mentioning the lack of adjustments when it comes to position changes. For example moving Savage to slot, starting Rudy Ford at S, putting Douglas on the outside, letting Jaire follow a good receiver from time to time, etc. 
UserPostedImage
Zero2Cool
2 years ago

The subject that you are claiming false, is absolutely not what I was saying... you totally misunderstood.

Joe Barry absolutely is making adjustments... he's just extremely too late in making them...

Like the announcers and fans are openly stating he should make them a full drive before he actually makes them...

It's not that he isn't doing them... it's just that he's extremely extremely late in doing so...

Originally Posted by: beast 



This can be misconstrued as you want adjustments for the sake of adjustments. QB scampers for 16 yards, so now you dedicate a LB to Spy. Now the TE is always finding holes in the zone coverage. So go more man coverage. Now the WR's are getting open via crossers and double moves. You could be constantly making adjustments and being one step behind the offense.

I dunno. At some point, you have to have confidence in your scheme and what you have practiced. You also have to realize that after three drives of them getting points, you might wanna adjust. I guess this is why there's only 32 of those positions available in the world. 

A defense that I would like to see is one that is constantly getting after the QB. Make him uncomfortable. When so many were slamming Rashan Gary, I was repeatedly saying, but he is getting in the QB face. That is huge. Make that QB know you are coming. You might not have got to him that play, but guess what biotch, I am gonna be back in 40 seconds. 

I'll take sound tackling, CB's that play more press coverage than off coverage (situationally speaking) and schemed up blitzes. And just a take no prisoners mentality defense. I miss guys like Wayne Simmons and even Desmond Bishop. Straight up thumpers. I think the defense is missing that guy that puts fear into offenses. 

You also have to choose what you're willing to give up. You will not stop everything. It's impossible. The Packers deploy a scheme that is susceptible to getting run on, but doesn't give up big play passing yards. This works amazing when your offense is putting up points. And that there is why I worry we'll have Joe Barry next year. The defense is schemed to protect a lead, not play from behind while the offense chews up clock by dinking and dunking and running the ball for small/big chunks.


 
UserPostedImage
beast
2 years ago

This can be misconstrued as you want adjustments for the sake of adjustments. QB scampers for 16 yards, so now you dedicate a LB to Spy. Now the TE is always finding holes in the zone coverage. So go more man coverage. Now the WR's are getting open via crossers and double moves. You could be constantly making adjustments and being one step behind the offense.

I dunno. At some point, you have to have confidence in your scheme and what you have practiced. You also have to realize that after three drives of them getting points, you might wanna adjust. I guess this is why there's only 32 of those positions available in the world. 

A defense that I would like to see is one that is constantly getting after the QB. Make him uncomfortable. When so many were slamming Rashan Gary, I was repeatedly saying, but he is getting in the QB face. That is huge. Make that QB know you are coming. You might not have got to him that play, but guess what biotch, I am gonna be back in 40 seconds. 

I'll take sound tackling, CB's that play more press coverage than off coverage (situationally speaking) and schemed up blitzes. And just a take no prisoners mentality defense. I miss guys like Wayne Simmons and even Desmond Bishop. Straight up thumpers. I think the defense is missing that guy that puts fear into offenses. 

You also have to choose what you're willing to give up. You will not stop everything. It's impossible. The Packers deploy a scheme that is susceptible to getting run on, but doesn't give up big play passing yards. This works amazing when your offense is putting up points. And that there is why I worry we'll have Joe Barry next year. The defense is schemed to protect a lead, not play from behind while the offense chews up clock by dinking and dunking and running the ball for small/big chunks.
 

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

You make a great argument.

Just to be clear, my background is Accounting, and I'm conservative anti-risk when it comes to defensive play calling and I absolutely worry about too much change and as you talked about, you have to set up a base and trust your base to some degree.

I certainly don't want change for change nor adjustment for adjustments sake... quote the opposite, the Seahawks set up a great scheme that basically needed no adjustments during their legion of boom run on defense.

That being said, this is not that scheme, this is Vic Fangio's scheme which is designed to often be switching between cover 2 and cover 3 zone concepts and mixing some other stuff in as surprise change-ups.

And while I'm more conservative and want less chance and adjustment and to usually stick to the base... Barry is on the ultra extreme of that... delaying the adjustments,. waiting to see if they switch back or not for two more drives...

I agree with what you're suggesting should happen... but Barry adjustments are just way too late. And usually I'm the one suggesting they not make big changes...


Also, on a side note... since we drafted ILB Walker and he's basically a LB coverage specialist... I was absolutely sure they would throw in a couple of Tampa 2 Coverage... just as a change up. Maybe only run it 10 to 50 snaps all season... but still we would see it pop up some... I'm sad to say I haven't seen it once ... 


But I feel like Joe Barry play calling and Vic Fangio's system, do not match at all... Joe Barry needs to make adjustments faster in almost any system... but especially a system that's based on making more adjustments, is an extra bad fit for him.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
Martha Careful (28m) : Turns out he like older women
Martha Careful (28m) : I wasn't supposed to say anything, but yes the word is out and we are happy 😂😂😂
Mucky Tundra (1h) : I might be late on this but Aaron Rodgers is now married
Mucky Tundra (2h) : Well he can always ask his brother for pointers
Zero2Cool (3h) : Bo Melton taking some reps at CB as well as WR
Zero2Cool (4h) : key transactions coming today at 3pm that will consume more cap in 2025
Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : Jaire played in just 34 of a possible 68 games since the start of the 2021 season
Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : reported, but not expected to practice
Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : Jenkins has REPORTED for mandatory camp
Zero2Cool (9-Jun) : I really thought he'd play for Packers.
buckeyepackfan (9-Jun) : Packers releasing Jaire Alexander.
Mucky Tundra (8-Jun) : (Context: he wants his defense to create turnovers)
Mucky Tundra (8-Jun) : Giants DC Shane Bowen tells players to “be a damn pirate."
dfosterf (6-Jun) : Semper fi !
Cheesey (6-Jun) : This is why I have so much respect for those that have gone through battles
Cheesey (6-Jun) : I can't even imagine what that would have been like
wpr (6-Jun) : "Come on, you sons of bitches. Do you want to live forever?"
wpr (6-Jun) : Facing a line of machine guns 2 time medal of Honor recipient, First Sergeant Dan Daly told his men,
wpr (6-Jun) : Another detachment went into the Belleau Wood.
wpr (6-Jun) : On the 6th the Marines took Hill 142 but suffered terrible losses.
wpr (6-Jun) : It’s time to remember dfoster’s Marine brothers in Belleau Wood. The battle went on from June 1-26. Nearly 10,000 casualties.
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : Nick Collins and Morgan Burnett have signed with the PACK
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : he won't be wearing #12, maybe he will wear number two
packerfanoutwest (6-Jun) : He will fail this season, should have retired
Mucky Tundra (5-Jun) : Thus the cycle of Hall of Fame Packer QBs going to the Jets and then the Vikings is broken
bboystyle (5-Jun) : Rodgers to steelers on 1 year contract
Zero2Cool (5-Jun) : It's the cycle of civilizations. Get lazier, lazier, softer, softer and vanish.
Martha Careful (5-Jun) : great point. every aspect of society, including art, culture and sports has degraded.
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Green Bay sweep meant something to society about stopping pure excellence. We have the tush push now
dfosterf (4-Jun) : We old Martha.
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : *front four
Martha Careful (4-Jun) : Re frout four, I wish we had some Green "People Eaters" or a fearsome foursome
dfosterf (4-Jun) : *directions*
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Just don't ask him for driving direct
dfosterf (4-Jun) : Jim Marshall was an all-time great DE for the Purple People Eaters. Didn't like him. That's a compliment. RIP
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : ooppppss
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : “Kenny Clark played all of last season hurt by the way and got surgery to fix it in January”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood How much did the injury affect him last fall? “A lot.”
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : @ByRyanWood Kenny Clark said he had foot surgery in January. Injured his foot in opener against Eagles and played through it all year.
Zero2Cool (3-Jun) : Golden is wearing guardian cap again. I bet he plays with it on too.
Mucky Tundra (3-Jun) : All the stuff I'm reading from Lions fans are pointing at his toe; he more or less has permanent turf toe in one of his big toes
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Kenny played through it, and a shame he gets little credit for that, imo
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Big men. I hope it's not the undoing of Kenny Clark
dfosterf (3-Jun) : Probably his toe. Pretty much a great center. Toe injuries are brutal to bigen
Mucky Tundra (2-Jun) : Lions All-Pro C Frank Ragnow retires
wpr (30-May) : It's all good.
beast (30-May) : Yeah, and I enjoyed your comments and just attempted to add to it. Sorry if I did it incorrectly.
wpr (30-May) : Beast I never said Henderson was the salt of the earth. Nor even that he was correct. Just quoting the guy.
Zero2Cool (29-May) : What did you do??
Zero2Cool (29-May) : Whoa
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2025 Packers Schedule
Sunday, Sep 7 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Thursday, Sep 11 @ 7:15 PM
COMMANDERS
Sunday, Sep 21 @ 12:00 PM
Browns
Sunday, Sep 28 @ 7:20 PM
Cowboys
Sunday, Oct 12 @ 3:25 PM
BENGALS
Sunday, Oct 19 @ 3:25 PM
Cardinals
Sunday, Oct 26 @ 7:20 PM
Steelers
Sunday, Nov 2 @ 12:00 PM
PANTHERS
Monday, Nov 10 @ 7:15 PM
EAGLES
Sunday, Nov 16 @ 12:00 PM
Giants
Sunday, Nov 23 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Thursday, Nov 27 @ 12:00 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 7 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Dec 14 @ 3:25 PM
Broncos
Friday, Dec 19 @ 11:00 PM
Bears
Friday, Dec 26 @ 11:00 PM
RAVENS
Saturday, Jan 3 @ 11:00 PM
Vikings
Recent Topics
1h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

3h / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

7-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

6-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

5-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

1-Jun / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

29-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

27-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

27-May / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / greengold

23-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / earthquake

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

22-May / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.