Mucky Tundra
2 years ago
The offensive line on Sunday was, well, not good. It seemed like on most dropbacks guys were on skates. Bad protection killed chances to get the ball downfield.




Which leads me to my question, is the coaching staff putting the right people in the right spot on the starting oline? The team made some head scratching decisions vs the 49ers in the divisional round by:

1. Starting RT Billy Turner, coming back from injury that caused him to miss the last 3 regular season games, at LT over Yosh Njiman who'd started 8 games at the position.
2. Starting Josh Myers, who was on IR since week 6 and activated a week and a half before the game, over Lucas Patrick who had started at C when Myers went down.
3. Starting Patrick at RG over Royce Newman who started 16 games at RG.

Of the 3, #2 is the only one that seems defensible on paper since Myers can probably move guys better in the run game. I suppose they wanted Patrick and his experience at RG but it doesn't feel like he's a big enough improvement to override the disruption to the continuity of playing Newman at RG. This leads to this past Sunday:

1. Starting Jake Hanson, a C in college and who quite frankly doesn't seem like anything other than a career backup, at RG
2. Starting Newman at RT
3. Leaving Zach Tom, who practiced every where on the oline in training camp and never looked out of place, on the bench

Again, #2 is the only one that looks alright on paper since Newman played RT in college. But why Hanson over ZT? Why not ZT at RG and Newman at RT or vis versa? This is the 2nd game in a row where it feels like the coaching staff has made questionable decisions on the oline. Are they overthinking it? Are they too concern with how a guy fits in the scheme? What say you?
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earthquake
2 years ago
Yeah, all of these decisions seem a bit iffy.

I commented in another thread before the game that I hoped to see Tom at RT but expected Newman and... well, you know what happened.

Hopefully, they get it sorted out. But Hanson shouldn't be out there other than for emergencies and Newman is a very good #6-7 sort of guy if the tackles are healthy but isn't a guy I want starting at RT.

Fingers crossed that either Jenkins or Bahktari are good to go next week so Hanson can sit on the bench.
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earthquake
2 years ago
Going a little further, I think there's a good argument to be made that Nijman is one of the top 5 guys even if everyone is healthy. I don't know how Nijman would hold up at RT but just think about (left to right):

Bahktari, Runyan, Jenkins, Tom, Nijman

Maybe it's silly to assume Tom is better than Newman or Meyers, but if they continue to struggle I think they have to try Tom in there at some point.

As per PFF:
Yosh Nijman 71.0
Royce Newman 59.9
Josh Myers 55.7
Jon Runyan: 47.6
Jake Hanson: 44.4

Nijman was the only guy who was better than average. I'll give Runyan a mulligan for the game as he's been a fairly consistent above-average sort of guy. Newman actually did okay considering it was his first game at RT in the NFL. Hanson can take a bus back to wherever he came from.
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go.pack.go.
2 years ago
When/if everyone is healthy, the starting OL I think would be best with it looking something like this:

LT- Bakhtiari
LG- Runyan
C- Meyers
RG- Jenkins
RT- Nijman

Then you have Tom/Newman who can fill in at different spots if there is an injury. This just feels like it would definitely put your best 5 out there. I have some doubts about Bakhtiari though which sucks.
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beast
2 years ago

As per PFF:
Yosh Nijman 71.0
Royce Newman 59.9
Josh Myers 55.7
Jon Runyan: 47.6
Jake Hanson: 44.4

Originally Posted by: earthquake 



I need more time to study PFF grades, but it looked like they come up with a pass blocking grade and a run blocking grade and average them out by adding them and dividing them by two.

Which doesn't make sense when they're passing the ball 70% of the time... they should be using the pass/run ratio into these numbers.

Like Hanson was absolutely horrible in pass protection, and we're passing the ball 70% of the time... but he was almost average in run blocking, but we only ran the ball 30% of the time... they shouldn't be on even grades.

Though yes, I understand it's the best we got... but I almost rather take their pass blocking grades over their official grades, as I feel it's more relevant.

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beast
2 years ago


LT- Bakhtiari
LG- Runyan
C- Meyers
RG- Jenkins
RT- Nijman

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 


Yeah if Nijman can play RT as well as he can LT, they should be considering him there and let Jenkins continue to help out on the interior.

Though I think I'd prefer Jenkins at LG...

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Zero2Cool
2 years ago
LT - Bakhtiari
LG - Jenkins
C - Meyers
RG - Runyan
RT - Nijman

I have spoken!!
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dfosterf
2 years ago

When/if everyone is healthy, the starting OL I think would be best with it looking something like this:

LT- Bakhtiari
LG- Runyan
C- Meyers
RG- Jenkins
RT- Nijman

Then you have Tom/Newman who can fill in at different spots if there is an injury. This just feels like it would definitely put your best 5 out there. I have some doubts about Bakhtiari though which sucks.

Originally Posted by: go.pack.go. 



I like this one.

beast
2 years ago

LT - Bakhtiari
LG - Jenkins
C - Meyers
RG - Runyan
RT - Nijman

I have spoken!!

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Clearly followed my argument from above 😉 but yes, then tell Tom he's focusing and backing up the left side, Hanson backing up Center and Newman is backing up the right side.

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Cheesey
2 years ago
Big question is, can Bakhtiari be depended on to even play? And if he can, will he be elite again, or even be just decent? Or will he end up injured again?
I'm sure he wants to play. And it's not his fault he got injured.

But at some point, the Packers either have to throw him into the fire to see what he can do, or figure out who the permanent guy will be to replace him.
An player that was elite that can't play anymore doesn't help your team win. That just wasting a roster spot.
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