Packers need WR Allen Lazard

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Of the pending free agent WR's for the Packers, we'll toss in Randall Cobb too, Allen Lazard is the most valuable. He's a first down threat and invaluable run blocking WR. Regardless of who is QB, this guy helps make the offense go. Who is his agent?

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beast
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2 years ago

Lazard is also an RFA, while MVS is an UFA (restricted versus unrestricted) meaning Lazard will be cheaper.

That being said, I think a deep threat seriously helps this offense and takes some pressure off the underneath routes which can seriously help everyone else. Now Rodgers and MVS connection has struggled for different reasons over the years, but I think a good deep threat with a good QB connection can be more valuable than Lazard. But yes Lazard blocking is under rated and very helpful.

Zero2Cool
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

I don't think MVS has value for the Packers because doesn't catch a lot of passes or he and Aaron Rodgers are not on the same page. You said for for different reasons. What are the reasons, in your opinion?

beast
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2 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Sometimes Rodgers threw the ball way behind MVS letting the DB catch up and MVS struggles with 50-50 balls.

Sometimes MVS would just drop it.

And in 2021, they didn't trust the OL enough to go for as many long balls and they got the ball out of Rodgers hands a lot quicker.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: beast

Good points. I still believe Lazard is more valuable to the offense than him. I would like both back, but if I have to choose. I'm taking 13 > 83 and we all know my input matters LOTS.

Cheesey
Preferred Member

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

I see your points. But I think he is the only deep threat they have right now. If Rodgers got on the same page with MVS, and could hit him in stride, imagine how big that would be?
To me, both he and Lazard should be signed . They know the playbook. To put newbie WRs in their spots would kill a lot of the reasons for signing Rodgers to come back. He would have to learn to trust that new WRs that they could learn to play in the NFL level. We don't have that kind of time at this point.
Get the O-line strong, so Aaron Rodgers has time, and get the offense rolling.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member Topic Starter

2 years ago

Originally Posted by: Cheesey

I think you try to sign someone else. He's had what three or four seasons with Rodgers and still cannot connect? It's time to try someone new. Maybe Will Fuller? Maybe Allen Robinson (eek huge contract probably)? Maybe D.J. Chark? Maybe Jamison Crowder? Maybe Sammy Watkins ? We have to find that deep threat to stretch the field. Teams aren't afraid of 83.

Cardinals got two WR's that could be available. Christian Kirk and Andy Isabella.

Martha Careful
Member

2 years ago

Actually, I think he needs to put on 20lbs. and be TE Alan Lazard.

Go Packers!!!!

beast
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2 years ago

Good points. I still believe Lazard is more valuable to the offense than him. I would like both back, but if I have to choose. I'm taking 13 > 83 and we all know my input matters LOTS.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Yes and that's one reason I worded one of my earlier comments to say a deep threat with good QB connection and didn't directly name MVS specifically.

As I'm not fully sure if MVS fits that description or not, based on what Packers were saying of MVS, he finally figured it out in 2021, but then due the OL situation, we didn't really get to see it.

As of last year, Adams was both out #1 and our #2 WR, then I felt like RBs we're #3a and everyone else was #3b.

Packers 2021 receiving yards per game

[list]

97.69 Adams

41.41 RBs (Combination of Jones and Dillon over 17 games, or 44.48 if you don't count Jones missed games against them, but Dillon was there so I can argue in this method you should count them against them as a group unit).

39.09 MVS

34.2 Lazard

31.25 Cobb (note slow start as he learned a new system got up to 35.22 if you look at his post break out game)

26.07 Jones by himself, note only 15 games which is while the combined about doesn't work out directly if you just try to add these two numbers.

25.5 Tonyan (note, they were asking him to block more this season, not fully trusting the OL)

18.41 Dillon

15.31 Dugara

12.59 Lewis

[/list]

beast
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2 years ago

#10

Actually, I think he needs to put on 20lbs. and be TE Alan Lazard.

Originally Posted by: Martha Careful

Many many people have said this and I've pointed out how Lazard and Tonyan pre-draft pro-day numbers look very similar and even wanted to draft Lazard low in the hopes to convert him to a TE.

But some that have seen Lazard up close in person have said absolutely no chance without giving more reasoning as to why.

Vic from Packers.com former Ask Vic section actually went into more detail once, I forget what he said exactly, but after taking what he said the general thought process was that Lazard bone structure might not be built for added weight, and some have noted his hips are EXTREMELY thin, meaning you might not be able to put good weight on him, an additional weight might just be bad weight and not helpful at all.

Also randomly found this, thought it might be interesting, I wish it had a date on it, but must be fairly recent (since 2020)

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