Zero2Cool
3 years ago

Broncos are finalizing a trade to send eight-time Pro Bowl linebacker Von Miller to the Los Angeles Rams in exchange for two second-day 2022 draft picks, league sources tell ESPN. Miller is now saying his goodbyes to his friends in the Broncos’ training facility.
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How is this even possible? How can the Rams keep sending out draft picks like a fat kid steals candy?? lol
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beast
3 years ago

How is this even possible? How can the Rams keep sending out draft picks like a fat kid steals candy?? lol

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That was the type of trade (though lower draft picks) I was suggesting for CB Stephon Gilmore.

Also, they get draft picks for free, so that's easily possible, the surprising part is how do the Rams stay under the cap limit and stay talented despite considering losing talent and coaches.

Part of the answer is Sean McVay is just that d@mn good and has the best schemes on both sides of the ball (and why Packers wanted that defensive scheme).

Another part is that they've been able to keep their elite star players and let go of their second tier and not get that much worse... SO FAR... but at some point, they're star players are going to age out and they won't have the draft picks to replace them. Their star LT has already claimed it's his final year.
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Zero2Cool
3 years ago

That was the type of trade (though lower draft picks) I was suggesting for CB Stephon Gilmore.

Also, they get draft picks for free, so that's easily possible, the surprising part is how do the Rams stay under the cap limit and stay talented despite considering losing talent and coaches.

Part of the answer is Sean McVay is just that d@mn good and has the best schemes on both sides of the ball (and why Packers wanted that defensive scheme).

Another part is that they've been able to keep their elite star players and let go of their second tier and not get that much worse... SO FAR... but at some point, they're star players are going to age out and they won't have the draft picks to replace them. Their star LT has already claimed it's his final year.

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The draft capital wasn't the issue with Stephon Gilmore. The Broncos consumed like $9 million of the $9.7 million of the salary. If Patriots did that with Gilmore, then Packers could have been in the running.

If Sean McVay was so good, why trade for Matthew Stafford, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller, Sammy Watkins, Marcus Peters, Brandin Cooks or even Aqib Talib.

Assuming Patriots consumed the same portion Broncos did with Von Miller for Stephon Gilmore, I think Packers get Gilmore for the 5th or 6th round pick that was used for trade. I wouldn't want Von Miller for 2nd and 3rd, especially knowing he's going into Free Agency next season. That isn't because I know anything Von Miller, because I really don't.
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beast
3 years ago

The draft capital wasn't the issue with Stephon Gilmore. The Broncos consumed like $9 million of the $9.7 million of the salary. If Patriots did that with Gilmore, then Packers could have been in the running.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 

That was my point...

If Sean McVay was so good, why trade for Matthew Stafford, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller, Sammy Watkins, Marcus Peters, Brandin Cooks or even Aqib Talib.

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Are you basically asking why do good teams need good players? Because good players make up a good team... he's doing a great job with what he's got...


Also could the Broncos be loading up on draft picks to try to trade for a certain QB in the offseason?

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Zero2Cool
3 years ago

That was my point...

Are you basically asking why do good teams need good players? Because good players make up a good team... he's doing a great job with what he's got...

Also could the Broncos be loading up on draft picks to try to trade for a certain QB in the offseason?

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If the guy is so good with his scheme, you wouldn't need to mortgage the future draft capital to make your scheme work. I think McVay is a good head coach, I don't think he's coach god as so many feel it's in vogue to crown him. I also think a sign of a good coach is one that makes C rated players perform like a A rated team. Rams are taking A+ players and putting out a B- rated team. The rating is arbitrarily stated to show contrast. If you try picking it apart, I've failed articulate the point or maybe you read to reply instead of reading to understand.
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beast
3 years ago
The bottom line is you need good players or you're screwed, so holding that against a coach seems crazy.

What the Rams are doing is they're getting and paying the elite players and letting the very good players leave, leaving the elite players surrounded by average player but the average players don't look average because the scheme is maximuming what they got.

I never said McVay is a coaching god... just that he's been damn good at what he's doing, he's lost so many coaches to different teams as well...

Bengals, Packers, Seahawks, Chargers, and probably more have taken coaches off his coaching stuff and he keeps rolling without a problem...
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Zero2Cool
3 years ago
Upon reading his stats, I would drop a 2nd and 3rd rounder next year for Von Miller like the Rams did. For some reason I thought he missed two or three of the last several years with injury. I swear the Broncos had a really damn good pass rushing LB that kept getting injured. 🤷‍♂️

Anyhow, if this dude is anything like his stats say he has been this would be a huge add for the Packers. Especially since we're probably going to be without Jaire Alexander for the rest (my speculation) of the season.
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Mucky Tundra
3 years ago

Upon reading his stats, I would drop a 2nd and 3rd rounder next year for Von Miller like the Rams did. For some reason I thought he missed two or three of the last several years with injury. I swear the Broncos had a really damn good pass rushing LB that kept getting injured. 🤷‍♂️
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My understanding is that he's been banged up a lot and coming off an Achilles injury.


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Mucky Tundra
3 years ago
New Report Suggests Dispute Over A Halloween Party Factored Into Von Miller Trade 

“Miller, who has earned over $90 million in his career, threatened to disrupt the Broncos’ locker room chemistry over what in his mind was an unpaid debt, the source tells PFN. We’re also told coach Vic Fangio and general manager George Paton became aware of the rift. That may have factored into the team’s decision to move on from the eight-time Pro Bowler despite the Broncos sitting just a half-game out of the AFC’s seventh seed.”




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3 years ago
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