Zero2Cool
3 years ago
This is Tyler Dunne with Jace Sternberger. Give this a listen and post your thoughts. I thought this was quite interesting.

After listening to that, read this.

MVS detailed the setup in Green Bay perfectly. He says there are “two playbooks” in Green Bay, the one LaFleur employs and the one Rodgers employs.

“There are times (Rodgers) may say, ‘That might not work’ or ‘We’re going to go no-huddle, I’m going to call the plays,’” Valdes-Scantling said in our convo down in Florida. “Those are things that happen. You’ve got to be able to do that. It’s not super simplistic where some coaches say, ‘This is the play. Run that play.’ And if it doesn’t work, it doesn’t work. There are teams like that. There are quarterbacks like that who say, ‘I’m going to call whatever’s called.’ … That’s the balance they’ve done a great job of creating. There are times he lets Aaron do his thing. And there are times where Aaron lets Matt call the plays.”









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beast
3 years ago
Not meant to be disrespectful, but for some reason Jace just hasn't impressed me in Interviews (which means absolutely nothing... as I've known a few guys that didn't seem smart, but you start picking their knowledge and they know more than most around them).

With the TEs being asked to be the most versatile role in most schemes, then this scheme asking more than verstility than some other schemes, and two different play books, those TEs gotta be very smart on their feet or in the system a good long while.

I'm excited this year for the slot role though... since this system came in, I've said the system makes stars of the large slot role... and now we have Tonyan as a game manager, makes very few mistakes. Dugara whom shined as a GREAT move blocker last year before his injury. WR Rodgers, whom doesn't have the height but very verstilite and seems quite polished with his routes. Plus others like Lewis, Sternberger and St. Brown whom should basically be done developing abouts... plus the FB type in Daffney.
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nerdmann
3 years ago

Not meant to be disrespectful, but for some reason Jace just hasn't impressed me in Interviews (which means absolutely nothing... as I've known a few guys that didn't seem smart, but you start picking their knowledge and they know more than most around them).

With the TEs being asked to be the most versatile role in most schemes, then this scheme asking more than verstility than some other schemes, and two different play books, those TEs gotta be very smart on their feet or in the system a good long while.

I'm excited this year for the slot role though... since this system came in, I've said the system makes stars of the large slot role... and now we have Tonyan as a game manager, makes very few mistakes. Dugara whom shined as a GREAT move blocker last year before his injury. WR Rodgers, whom doesn't have the height but very verstilite and seems quite polished with his routes. Plus others like Lewis, Sternberger and St. Brown whom should basically be done developing abouts... plus the FB type in Daffney.

Originally Posted by: beast 



Love Daffney, he was awesome.

Kind of Looking at Lazzard as a passcatching TE now too. Especially with his blocking.
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Cheesey
3 years ago
I have to ask....who is the kid in the video? It seems he had things to say, but never got it out.
Anyway, I think Rodgers has earned the right to change plays. He’s had a lot of expierience over the years, and can see by the defense if a play called might not work. I wouldn’t give that freedom to a newbie QB, but to a guy who has been around, yes.
Bart Starr called his plays. And many other QBs have also.
I wouldn’t let him change calls all the time, but let him know he has a certain amount of freedom.
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Zero2Cool
3 years ago

I have to ask....who is the kid in the video? It seems he had things to say, but never got it out.
Anyway, I think Rodgers has earned the right to change plays. He’s had a lot of expierience over the years, and can see by the defense if a play called might not work. I wouldn’t give that freedom to a newbie QB, but to a guy who has been around, yes.
Bart Starr called his plays. And many other QBs have also.
I wouldn’t let him change calls all the time, but let him know he has a certain amount of freedom.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I think he's Tyler's son.

What I've taken away from Packers players talking about Aaron Rodgers is it feels like they are playing very uptight. Meaning, they are hoping to not make a mistake and get the ire of their QB rather than playing fast and free. Marques Valdes-Scantling has said things and this stuff from Jace are added to that thinking.
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beast
3 years ago

I think he's Tyler's son.

What I've taken away from Packers players talking about Aaron Rodgers is it feels like they are playing very uptight. Meaning, they are hoping to not make a mistake and get the ire of their QB rather than playing fast and free. Marques Valdes-Scantling has said things and this stuff from Jace are added to that thinking.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah but Jace also said Rodgers was pretty understanding with SOME of that stuff... (I believe) when talking about calling an audible from before you were on the team.

So it kind of depends how reasonable it is (which is an opinion), but I think Rodgers has shown his memory is better/longer lasting than a lot of peoples. But was the mistake reasonable one or not?

It's like Finley complaints about Rodgers (if I can remember this correctly) Finley has expressed complaints that Rodgers wants you to do things correctly in practice. Well... YEAH! That's kind of expected... though maybe Finley soft served it and it's deeper than that?


But we're seen Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers and Kurt Warner totally rip WRs on game day and basically sounds like they do the same thing in practice. They keep the teammates accountable (in their minds) and I believe it was said Micheal Jordan and Kobe Bryant as well... they'd expect you to work extremely hard in practice and if you didn't they'd purposely annoy the hell out of you.

Here is Pat McAfee talking about Peyton keeping players accountable. And other times he's talked about this, and said he loved it, how Peyton would get on a guy, and followed up talking about Andrew Luck and suggesting Luck might have been too nice and not keeping teammate accountable enough.



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Zero2Cool
3 years ago
What Finley said I took more as him being a whiner. Everyone knows if you do it well in practice, you should get the opportunity when its go time.

When Aaron Rodgers gets at his OL or WR, the cameras are glued to him and narratives get massively exaggerated. I've seen numerous other QB's doing the same thing and it goes completely unmentioned by the commentators. Rodgers does it and it's talked about through the next play.

I do believe QB's need a connection with their WR's, no question about that.

I'm speaking on the nature of comments from WR's over the last several years. They give off a tone of playing in fear of upsetting their QB, not fear of disappointing the QB. When you don't want to upset the QB, you're being scared. When you don't want to disappoint your QB, you're giving it your all.

Sure, semantics, maybe, but I see a distinction when I hear things being said and that's how I read-into them.
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Cheesey
3 years ago
If the QB works his butt off in practice, I feel it’s not wrong for him to expect the same from the other players.
And if a WR messes up during a game, I find nothing wrong with the QB calling him out. That is, if he’s also willing to call HIMSELF out if he messes up!
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