I mean we don't really know if anyone is going to do a good job. I just don't get where it's automatically assumed that Gute should be the one hiring a head coach. He's pretty much 100% a player talent scout, there is significantly less in his resume to point to being qualified to hire a coach than Murphy's. Id be fine if they gave full control over to Gute but I don't see any reason to bellyache about Murphy doing it either. This is under the assumption that Gute is fine with the current structure which I have no reason at this time to doubt. Ball can stay or go for all I care but if the Murphy/Gute relationship is solid It doesn't matter to me who has what responsibilities even if they are unconventional.
What is it you feel like Murphy mismanaged the last few years? He gave full control to the GM and didn't get involved at all and trusted the GM to manage it which he did poorly and forced Murphy's hand. Now Murphy is involved and you don't want him to be? I don't know if Murphy will make a good hire or not, my point is just that I haven't seen any evidence that would give me a reason to doubt him. Or did you not like the Gute hire or something?
Originally Posted by: steveishere
I haven't seen much evidence to suggest that Murphy should have my confidence either. I remember in his press conference even Murphy stated that he became too distant from the franchise and let things go for too long. The Packers became very stale and it was obvious that things weren't going to change until someone outside of Thompson, McCarthy, Dom Capers, etc. stepped in, which took too long. They did a half-ass house cleaning this off season that basically resulted in a wasted season in 2018 and likely tarnished the Packers reputation to some extent, or at least suggested some level of disorganized management. Add those factors to my perception of disorganized strategic thinking from listening to his public words, lack of many tangible NFL hires, and there's not much there to inspire confidence.
Even if I don't yet have much faith in Murphy, like it or not, the buck stops with him. Until someone else assumes his role, I'm going to hold him ultimately responsible, which to be fair, he has indicated that he is several times recently. I would have preferred he stepped in enough to set the course on the right ship, and then return to more of a higher level oversight role rather than a direct nuanced decision maker.
As I said, he has more to prove than he has earned benefit of the doubt.
As for Gute, he comes across as more professional and seems to have more coherent strategic thought processes. That may not be true at all, but without having more insider information, I don't have much to go off of. He did get interest from other teams, as well. Would I have more confidence in someone like John Dorsey that has a proven track record? Absolutely. But the Packers don't have John Dorsey or someone similar. So my hopes are left with some combination of Gute, Murphy, and I guess Ball.
I like the General Manager having the final decision and the "owner" or CEO being more of a business operations executive. With that, Murphy could still have input, but I prefer picking a General Manager that is capable of making these decisions. You're right, Gute may suck too, but for whatever reason, fair or not, I have a little more faith in him.
I admit I was happy with the hire of Mitt Hendrickson, which I believe was mostly the work of Gute. That earned some credit for me. I'd be even more happy to see someone like Reggie McKenzie and/or even Scot McCloughan back in the front office to provide more proven NFL management experience.
I suppose one thing that might help me is to examine Mark Murphy's hiring history in the NFL. He obviously has college experience, but I could be better educated of his NFL football operational successes, rather than business or financial decisions, such as Titletown. Someone competent needs to manage those things, but I'm not sure that same person should also be wearing multiple hats.
With all that said, so far so good with the interviews. I hope they make a good decision, regardless of how the decision is made, because ultimately, that's all that matters.