Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I always hated the years when they put Woods on and/or Tramon back as returner. Those extra 5 yards was not worth losing our top corner due to injury... If memory serves me right, (it probably doesn't) I think both of them ended up getting dinged up on punt returns.

Let one of the backup receivers/corners/running backs handle return duties.

Originally Posted by: Bigbyfan 



You're not putting someone back there to get an extra five yards. You put your best returner back there because field position matters. You don't play the game to not lose, you play the game to WIN. The Steelers still roll out Antonio Brown on Punt Returns and they get good field position because of it.

Special Teams is one third of the game, you can't just toss in the towel out of fear on 33% of the game.
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sschind
7 years ago

If one of the rookies and Jake show lots of promise, maybe they trade Randall Cobb to Raiders with a 2nd rounder for Khalil Mack :D

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Yeah, then we can have 1 WR with any significant experience for Rodgers to throw to. They all show promise or they wouldn't be here. I'm worried enough about our WR WITH Cobb I'd be almost terrified without him.

sschind
7 years ago

You're not putting someone back there to get an extra five yards. You put your best returner back there because field position matters. You don't play the game to not lose, you play the game to WIN. The Steelers still roll out Antonio Brown on Punt Returns and they get good field position because of it.

Special Teams is one third of the game, you can't just toss in the towel out of fear on 33% of the game.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I understand the apprehension that comes with having a starter returning kicks but I agree with you. Field position does matter and not only are you hoping for an extra 5 yards you are hoping for a lot more. Some people act as if all you need is a guy who doesn't fumble and while technically you may be able to get away with that a guy who can get you a long return is always beneficial.

beast
7 years ago
Since this is talking about returners.

I'm surprised Cobb isn't listed as a returner but Jaire Alexander and Tramon Williams are?

Williams is 35 years old, I'm just not sure I want him on return duties if there is another decent option, and generally I wouldn't care about Alexander doing it, but it sounds like he's going to be a rookie starter (in the nickel slot), let him focus on that first (of course he might already have it down pat).

But why not Cobb?
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Cheesey
7 years ago
Kumerow sure looked good last night.
Did you see Rodgers reaction when he made that long TD? He was running around like a little kid!
If AR thinks the kid is good, and Kumerow keeps making plays, then he deserves a roster spot.
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nerdmann
7 years ago

Since this is talking about returners.

I'm surprised Cobb isn't listed as a returner but Jaire Alexander and Tramon Williams are?

Williams is 35 years old, I'm just not sure I want him on return duties if there is another decent option, and generally I wouldn't care about Alexander doing it, but it sounds like he's going to be a rookie starter (in the nickel slot), let him focus on that first (of course he might already have it down pat).

But why not Cobb?

Originally Posted by: beast 



Cobb has lost his burst, and now his surgically repaired ankle isn’t right.

I say use Monty, he was all american as a punt returner iirc. Only problem is, you need to keep him on a pitch count. He can’t get 80 snaps per week as the “motion/diagnose the defense” guy. His body won’t hold up.
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TheKanataThrilla
7 years ago

Cobb has lost his burst, and now his surgically repaired ankle isn’t right.

I say use Monty, he was all american as a punt returner iirc. Only problem is, you need to keep him on a pitch count. He can’t get 80 snaps per week as the “motion/diagnose the defense” guy. His body won’t hold up.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Mmmmm tough as Monty has the sickle cell issue. Do you put the focus on a guy who has a potential health issue that can show up out-of-the-blue? Personally I would prefer Monty as a back-up guy.

Zero2Cool
7 years ago

Yeah, then we can have 1 WR with any significant experience for Rodgers to throw to. They all show promise or they wouldn't be here. I'm worried enough about our WR WITH Cobb I'd be almost terrified without him.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



I suppose I'm just overconfident in Aaron Rodgers ability to make due with folks like Davante Adams, Geronimo Allison, capable running game, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, etc ... to compensate for the production loss of Randall Cobb. Feather that confidence in with the idea of adding someone like Khahil Mack and I just feel it'd be worth it. I doubt the Raiders would blink at it though considering they don't need WR's. Especially someone like Cobb at his salary for 2018.
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sschind
7 years ago

I suppose I'm just overconfident in Aaron Rodgers ability to make due with folks like Davante Adams, Geronimo Allison, capable running game, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, etc ... to compensate for the production loss of Randall Cobb. Feather that confidence in with the idea of adding someone like Khahil Mack and I just feel it'd be worth it. I doubt the Raiders would blink at it though considering they don't need WR's. Especially someone like Cobb at his salary for 2018.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



We've had Aaron Rodgers for how long now and our WR depth seems to have slowly dwindled over that time as our top guys leave. That tells me 3 things. Either the GM hasn't been doing his job in finding replacements, the WRs that have been leaving were actually better than we give them credit for or Aaron Rodgers isn't as good at making ho hum WRs look better than they are that we give him credit for.

Donald Driver was a 7th round pick and he turned out OK 😉 . I have a tendency to think that was more due to the fact that he was a better WR than first thought rather than Aaron Rodgers making him better than he really was. Its going to take more than a few preseason games to find out if any of out day 3 picks are really better than we thought.

The thought of adding a player of Mack's ability certainly is an exciting one though and if it weren't for the 20+ million a year it is likely going to take to sign him, on top of a 1st round pick and maybe more plus a starter I'd consider trading almost anyone short of Aaron Rodgers for him.
beast
7 years ago

Cobb has lost his burst, and now his surgically repaired ankle isn’t right.

I say use Monty, he was all american as a punt returner iirc. Only problem is, you need to keep him on a pitch count. He can’t get 80 snaps per week as the “motion/diagnose the defense” guy. His body won’t hold up.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Monty struggled catching the punt though... great returns... but he struggled catching the punt, which would too often go onto the ground, he'd pick them off the ground and use his athletic skills to still get a great return out of it... but it's hard to do that in the pros.

Which is why Monty is a kick return options but not a punt return option. I don't quite understand why punts are harder to catch, but everyone seems to agree they are.
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