Zero2Cool
7 years ago
Doesn't explain why he's missing so damn many tackles. He's also missed two interceptions (maybe more, I remember two specifically). I'm very disappointed with Clinton-Dix this season. Just because you got a popularity vote, aka, Pro Bowl, doesn't mean you skate the rest of your career.

"Look. I want you guys to look," the safety says. "I'm around the ball and the quarterback is not coming my way. That's just the bottom line."

“If you guys just come up [to the film room] and watch me and watch where I’m at, where you think the ball’s supposed to be going, and it’s not going there. There’s a reason why it’s not going there,” Clinton-Dix said. “I’m telling you, I’m sitting on everything. I’m getting everything that comes my way.”

A review of every pass play from Sunday’s 31-28 loss at Pittsburgh -- all 46 of Ben Roethlisberger’s attempts -- all but confirms that not much has come his way. He had two realistic chances to make plays on the ball. One, the two-point play to Antonio Brown, was Clinton-Dix’s play to break up, but Brown squeezed past him for the conversion. The other was Brown’s 39-yard catch and run in the second quarter. Clinton-Dix, playing deep like he did most of the game, came from the opposite side of the field and either took a poor angle or overran the play.

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yooperfan
7 years ago
In my humble opinion, Dix tries to avoid physical contact as much as he can.
May be they don't throw at him much, but probably because he plays so deep and retreats deeper at the snap of the ball.
Granted he's the deep safety but I'm certainly not impressed.
I think he's highly overrated.
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago
A lot of this comes down to, where was he supposed to be and what was his assignment. If he is playing deeper than the scheme calls for that would be an issue, if the scheme wants him deep then he needs to play deep. He is the last line of defense, often free safeties are taught and told their job is not necessarily to make the tackle, but to make suer others defenders can catch-up and help.

I would need to look at specific plays to really judge. I do say if the scheme always has HaHa away from the play, the scheme probably needs to be adjusted.
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yooperfan
7 years ago
Dix is a pretty piss poor last line of defense.
I would want my last line of defense to be a fast vicious tackler.
Dix is neither!
PackFanWithTwins
7 years ago

Dix is a pretty piss poor last line of defense.
I would want my last line of defense to be a fast vicious tackler.
Dix is neither!

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I wouldn't categorize Darren Sharper as a fast vicious tackler and he made a hell of a FS for a long time. I don't remember Nick Collins being a supper tackler either, though he did have the fast part down.

HaHa isn't Ed Reed, he isn't Darren Sharper, he isn't Nick Collins, but if we go back and look, the Nick Collins we remember wasn't the same Nick Collins in his first 3 years.
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beast
7 years ago

Dix is a pretty piss poor last line of defense.
I would want my last line of defense to be a fast vicious tackler.
Dix is neither!

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I very much disagree, I can picture a number of plays where the I thought it was going to be a touchdown and Dix is hustling to clean up someone else error to save the touchdown.

Your last line of defense needs to be an accurate tackler, let the SS and LBers be the vicious tacklers... as if their vicious hits (which normally include failing to wrap up) fails to get the offensive player down... you want the last line of defense to wrap up to make sure they get that guy down.

And normally when Dix completely misses a tackle, it's because he's being aggressive attacking underneath (where guys are behind him) as he goes for the vicious tackle and the ball carrier makes a move to make him miss.

I'm surely NOT saying Dix is great, but he usually plays smart and hard, which is what most coaches seem to want from a FS and last line of defense.
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yooperfan
7 years ago

I very much disagree, I can picture a number of plays where the I thought it was going to be a touchdown and Dix is hustling to clean up someone else error to save the touchdown.

Your last line of defense needs to be an accurate tackler, let the SS and LBers be the vicious tacklers... as if their vicious hits (which normally include failing to wrap up) fails to get the offensive player down... you want the last line of defense to wrap up to make sure they get that guy down.

And normally when Dix completely misses a tackle, it's because he's being aggressive attacking underneath (where guys are behind him) as he goes for the vicious tackle and the ball carrier makes a move to make him miss.
Dix is soft and mostly avoids tackling.

I'm surely NOT saying Dix is great, but he usually plays smart and hard, which is what most coaches seem to want from a FS and last line of defense.

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Zero2Cool
7 years ago

I wouldn't categorize Darren Sharper as a fast vicious tackler and he made a hell of a FS for a long time. I don't remember Nick Collins being a supper tackler either, though he did have the fast part down.

HaHa isn't Ed Reed, he isn't Darren Sharper, he isn't Nick Collins, but if we go back and look, the Nick Collins we remember wasn't the same Nick Collins in his first 3 years.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Nick Collins was smart, he also learned how to film study from Charles Woodson and that's when he took off. Collins also had Deion Sanders-like closing speed. He'd have a 7 yard cushion gone in a blink. Deion had a 12 yard cushion gone in a blink.
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isocleas2
7 years ago

Nick Collins was smart, he also learned how to film study from Charles Woodson and that's when he took off. Collins also had Deion Sanders-like closing speed. He'd have a 7 yard cushion gone in a blink. Deion had a 12 yard cushion gone in a blink.

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I was just complaining the other day about Dix not taking a step forward this year and I too thought he was trying to bait the QB too much by playing so far deep/off ball. You'd see Woodson and Collins do it all the time but they had the instincts and speed to make them pay.

However there might be some truth to what Dix is saying if Capers scheme has him playing deep last line of defense style then he can only play how the coach wants.
gbguy20
7 years ago
Whether he is right or wrong, he is still the most overrated player on our team
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