Why Do Our Assistant Coaches Never Leave? ·

uffda udfa
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Interesting to me that our front office gets play due to the regular season winning we do around here but nobody wants any of the guys coaching here.

What does that tell you? It tells me the fact that 12 carries this team year after year has been good for guys like Wolf, Gutekunst and the Schneider's, McKenzie's and Dorsey's as the perception sells. However, nobody ever wants our assistants because no unit is impressive enough to warrant attention. So...What is it? Not enough talent but enough 12 to catch attention for our front office types, or putrid coaching limiting what talent we do have?

To me... It's a bit of both. Not enough overall talent and not enough quality coaching. We get stuck in a vicious circle of continuing to trot out less than stellar coaches paired with less than sterling talent and we wonder why we're not winning SBs given the substantial advantage we have at QB?

Blow...it...up. 12 is why we win. No reason to worry it will be worse because 12 will still be here. It's time. Our org is as fresh as a Foghat concert.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

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rabidgopher04
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7 years ago

Could be that the Packers deny other teams' requests to interview. That's been documented a couple times.

Anyway, Joe Philbin was recruited, Ben McAdoo was recruited. Winston Moss also had interviewed for jobs elsewhere (or was being recruited). It's not like it NEVER happens.

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sschind
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7 years ago

Originally Posted by: rabidgopher04

Yeah, but saying it never happens fits the agenda.

yooperfan
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7 years ago

Perhaps it's because the Green Bay Packers take very good care of their coaching staff.
Perhaps Green Bay is a very desirable place to live, work and raise a family and people don't want to leave.
Personally I think the friendly small town feel of Green Bay with it's rich NFL history and the superb football facilities would make coaches and their families think twice about leaving of their own free will.
It would have to be an offer someone absolutely couldn't refuse and I just don't think there is many of those offers out there from year to year.

uffda udfa
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Yeah, but saying it never happens fits the agenda.

Originally Posted by: sschind

Yes. The agenda that our coaches aren't very good. Who was McAdoo coaching here when he left? Aaron Rodgers. Who was Philbin coaching when he left....our offense that was more impressive years ago. Hired after the 15-1 machine season. Winston Moss met the Rooney Rule and was interviewed by former Packers player personnel guy, Reggie McKenzie. Went really well:.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8263737c/article/interview-between-raiders-packers-aide-moss-didnt-go-well%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=team%253Doak;conf%253Dafc;dvsn%253Dacw;plyr%253Dhue_jackson&sr=amp

The one guy who left in last 5 years worked directly with 12.

Our assistants aren't a popular group. We're left with a bunch of undesirables. If they're not sought after perhaps we could do better? MMs loyalty is detrimental. We've had more assistants just quit than be desired by other teams.

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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

TheKanataThrilla
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7 years ago

Interesting take not sure what to think other than I would certainly like Kevin Greene to come back.

Cheesey
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7 years ago

Seems like a bunch of "yes men".
Why would they leave?
And maybe other teams see the lack of production, and don't want the coaches.

wpr
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7 years ago

I was curious to see what happens to Packer coaches after they leave GB. I looked at 2 years. 2006 and 2010. 2006 was the first year with McCarthy 2010 was 5 years later. It also happened to be the SB season. I didn't look at more years because I don't want to waste a lot of time.

Most coaches that left were hired elsewhere. Some ended up in college. Some in lower positions with other teams. Some eventually promoted to positions of greater authority.

It is similar to very other team in the NFL. Keep in mind the Peter Principle is going to apply here just as it does in every single other industry. People who are successful at one level will keep getting promoted until they reach a level at that can't succeed at.

2006
Offensive coaches
Offensive Coordinator – Jeff Jagodzinski
2007–2008 Boston College
2009 Tampa Bay Buccaneers (OC)
2010 Omaha Nighthawks
2012 Ave Maria (WR)
2013–2015 Georgia State (OC)
2016 Georgia State (associate HC)

Quarterbacks – Tom Clements
Green Bay Packers (QB) (2006–2011)
Green Bay Packers (OC) (2012–2014)
Green Bay Packers (AHC) (2015-2016)

Running Backs – Edgar Bennett
Green Bay Packers (2001–2010) Running backs coach
Green Bay Packers (2011–2014) Wide receivers coach
Green Bay Packers (2015–present) Offensive coordinator

Wide Receivers – Jimmy Robinson
Green Bay Packers (2006–2010)
Dallas Cowboys (2011–2015)

Tight Ends – Ben McAdoo
Green Bay Packers (2006–2011) Tight ends coach
Green Bay Packers (2012–2013) Quarterbacks coach
New York Giants (2014–2015) Offensive coordinator
New York Giants (2016–present) Head coach

Offensive Line – Joe Philbin
Green Bay Packers (2003) Assistant offensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2004–2005) Tight ends coach & assistant offensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2006) Offensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2007–2011) Offensive coordinator
Miami Dolphins (2012–2015) Head coach
Indianapolis Colts (2016–present) Assistant head coach & offensive line coach

Assistant Offensive Line – James Campen
Green Bay Packers (2004–2005) (Assistant offensive line/quality control coach)
Green Bay Packers (2006) (Assistant offensive line coach)
Green Bay Packers (2007–present) (Offensive line coach)

Defensive coaches
Defensive Coordinator – Bob Sanders
Green Bay Packers (2005) Defensive ends coach
Green Bay Packers (2006–2008) Defensive coordinator
Buffalo Bills (2009) Defensive line coach
Buffalo Bills (2010–2011) Outside linebackers coach
Buffalo Bills (2012) Linebackers coach
Oakland Raiders (2013–2014) Linebackers coach
Arizona Cardinals (2015–present) Linebackers coach

Defensive Tackles – Robert Nunn
Green Bay Packers 2005-08 as a Defensive tackles coach,
hired several weeks later by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as one of two defensive line coaches.
January 27, 2010, Robert Nunn was hired as the New York Giants Defensive Line Coach.

Defensive Ends – Carl Hairston
Green Bay Packers (2006–2008) (Defensive Ends Coach)
Florida Tuskers (2009) (Defensive Line Coach)
Omaha Nighthawks (2010–2011) (Defensive Line Coach)
BC Lions (2012–2014) (Defensive Line Coach)

Linebackers – Winston Moss
Green Bay Packers (2006–2016) (LB)
Green Bay Packers (2017–present) (AHC/LB)

Secondary – Kurt Schottenheimer
Green Bay Packers (2006–2008) Secondary coach
San Francisco 49ers (2010) Special teams coordinator
Virginia Destroyers (2011) Defensive volunteer
Virginia Destroyers (2012) Head coach

Defensive Nickel Package/Cornerbacks – Lionel Washington
1999–2008 Green Bay Packers (CB/NB)
2009–2010 Oakland Raiders (DB)
2011 Virginia Destroyers (DB)
2012–Present Tulane (Co-DC/DB)

2010
Assistant Head Coach/Inside Linebackers – Winston Moss
Offensive Coaches
Offensive Coordinator – Joe Philbin
Quarterbacks – Tom Clements
Running Backs – Edgar Bennett
Wide Receivers – Jimmy Robinson
Tight Ends – Ben McAdoo
Offensive Line – James Campen
Assistant Offensive Line – Jerry Fontenot
Green Bay Packers (2006–2010) Assistant offensive line coach
Green Bay Packers (2011) Running backs coach
Green Bay Packers (2012–2015) Tight ends coach

Offensive Quality Control – John Rushing
Green Bay Packers (2009–2010) Offensive quality control
Green Bay Packers (2011) Assistant wide receivers / special teams
Green Bay Packers (2012–2013) Offensive assistant / special teams
Green Bay Packers (2014–2016) Defensive quality control
Los Angeles Rams (2016) Special teams & Defensive consultant
Oregon State (2017-present) Safeties coach

Defensive Coordinator – Dom Capers
Green Bay Packers (2009–Present) Defensive coordinator

Defensive Line – Mike Trgovac
Green Bay Packers (DL) (2009–present)

Outside Linebackers – Kevin Greene
Green Bay Packers (2009–2013) (OLB)
New York Jets (2017–present) (OLB)

Secondary – Cornerbacks – Joe Whitt, Jr.
Green Bay Packers (2009–present) Cornerbacks coach

Secondary – Safeties – Darren Perry
Green Bay Packers (2009–present) (Safeties coach)

buckeyepackfan
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7 years ago

Let's put an end to this topic.
Guess uffda will never let it die until he gets the results he's looking for

The whole coaching staff sucks.
There is not one coach that would be hired tomorrow if fired.

The Packers organization made their worst mistake ever by hiring Ted Thompson.
In turn Thompsons choice for HC was complete idiocy.
McCarthy then proceeded to put together a staff that couldn't coach their way out of a paper bag.

The abysmal performance of The Packers the last 11 years is unacceptable!
The Packers are entitled by The NFL to go to the Super Bowl every year!
Even with that entitlement these guys have only won 1!
UNACCEPTABLE!

Please move on Uffda.
Nothing more to discuss here.

I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

uffda udfa
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7 years ago

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Buck...It's noteworthy that Edgar and Dom haven't gotten a single sniff in years. Why is that? Packers O produces. Could it be this O should be producing more should it have a better coordinator? Shanahan was hired away from Atlanta because his O was dynamic. How's it doing with Sarkisian?

Always and forever MM will have been the coordinator of the 32nd ranked O and the guy who preferred Smith over Rodgers when hired by Ted. No reason to think we might be better with better GM and HC?

Our current crop of coaches go nowhere and get no sniffs outside of a Rooney Rule favor done by former Packers employee McKenzie for Moss and that interview went poorly.

Who is our advantage within our coaching staff? Nobody. Our HC won't move on from a dreadful tired old DC continuing saying how fantastic he is. There is one undeniable irrefutable truth...either MM is blind as a bat or Ted has failed to provide enough talent. Which one is it? So, as to the D, either MM or Ted Thompson has to go before it gets better. One of them, or both, is holding that unit back. It's important. It's a great honest question completely worthy of discussion but guys like you only exist to defend the orgs honor regardless of how foolish that might be. Fan boys mentality does nothing for a forum nor does that kind of mindset help within the org. Org should ALWAYS be striving to be better every single second. Cruise control fan boy mentality is worthless.

Open...your...eyes long before you open your mouth.

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Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

yooperfan
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7 years ago

#11

Ted has failed to provide enough talent.Which one is it?So, as to the D, either Mike McCarthy or Ted Thompson has to go

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

I have been in favor of getting rid of Ted Thompson since he tried to utter a complete sentence in his 1st interview when the Packers hired him.(I believe anyone in his position should be at least semi-articulate)
I took a lot of heat for it and I said if the Packers ever won a Super Bowl with him as GM that I would back off.
They won a Super Bowl and I backed off but my edginess has been creeping up since 2013 when we 1st saw the team Thompson has built minus #12.
I have supported McCarthy believing that he was handcuffed by Thompson's personnel decisions.
Now in 2017 minus #12 again I'm seeing the team Thompson built and McCarthy coaches and it ain't pretty.
One Super Bowl Trophy in Rodgers career is indefensible to me but, hey, we make the playoffs nearly every year.

Zero2Cool
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7 years ago

#12

Why would you want to be an assistant coach on a team with Aaron Rodgers and wish to leave?

uffda udfa
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Why would you want to be an assistant coach on a team with Aaron Rodgers and wish to leave?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

$ and opportunity.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

buckeyepackfan
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I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!

Barfarn
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7 years ago

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Like the energizer bunny with Duracell batteries...kiddy bitch, kiddy bitch, kiddy bitch, on and on and on.

If GB had a lot of coaching turnover; there’d be kiddy Bitchin’ about that too, right?

Same logic fallacies and support for argument with factual omissions and misrepresentations, which demonstrates cluelessness and/or dishonesty, on and on and on.

BTW, GB coaches are among the most sought after in NFL; here’s some since MM became coach:

[list]

[/list] Philbin Hired away HC Miami

[list]

[/list]Washington hired way to be Raiders’ DB coach

[list]

[/list]McAdoo Hired away to be Giants’ OC; with eye to HC

[list]

[/list] Jagodwski hired away to be BC coach

[list]

[/list] Johnson hired away to be Dallas’ Asst HC/WR coach

[list]

[/list] Steve Marshall hired away to be Jets’ OL coach

[list]

[/list] Solari was hired away to be Giants’ OL coach

[list]

[/list] Clements had offers, one from Bears, and was blocked.

[list]

[/list] Joel Hilgenberg and Kevin Greene were young studs that would have been hired away [If he didn’t quit/temp leave coaching].

If you hire, for example, a young gun DC, if he’s successful you lose him. So Mike hires some guys like Capers and Turgo, whose desire to advance at this stage of their lives has passed.

And when you hire stud young guns like Bennett, Getsey or McGarigle; you have to keep promoting to keep ‘em. Anyone who thinks guys like NE’s Matt Patricia or Bennett have not gotten offers is a stone cold moron. Of course, eventually they will lose Edger, unless he takes over for Mike.

By contrast over the same period of time; Belichek has only had 4 guys hired away:
[list]

[/list]Dabol hired way to be Jets to be QB coach

[list]

[/list]Ferentz hired away to be OL coach at Iowa and is now HC. This guy is another coaching stud. He’ll be a HC one day.

[list]

[/list]Godsey was hired away to be Texans QB coach

[list][*][/list]O’Brien was hired away to be HC at Penn State

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