Ok Bar and Porforis , let's try an experiment tomorrow. I want you to go into work and clock in and after that I want you to go outside and start protesting. Like against the KKK or BLM whatever and I can guarantee you won't have a job for very long. Why well #1 once you clock in you are property of the owner of the company and you are wasting time and not being productive. #2 is if it brings negative feedback towards your company you would be let go. So the way I look at it the players are on the clock when they protest so it is wrong and it brings negative feedback towards the club. They can do all their protesting on social media or go out in the Parking lot before or after the game and protest away.
What I would love to see is at halftime of next weeks games the security all takes a knee and lets the crowd do whatever they want to the players. I think that would be justice.
Originally Posted by: dhazer
The security guard thing is pretty funny and creative 😂.
I was just talking about the duplicity thing; but I guess this was the inevitable path.
Taking your clocking-in analogy directly, it's be tantamount to Bennett stopping and kneeling as a Rodgers pass was on its way and it bounced of his head. Protesting during the Anthem doesn't affect a player's performance.
But, your other point is 100% valid. "Free speech" only applies directly to the State curbing speech; private companies dont have carte blanche, but have wide latitude for firing people for what they say. If Keapernick can prove he's being black-balled for his speech [and this can only be known if we know his contract demands-If he's demanding 15M, only a dotard would pay that; but if he'll work for minimum, he's being black-balled] he has no 1st Amendment case unless he can prove the NFL is in conspiracy with the State.
Let's us another analogy: 3 white packer players kneel during the Anthem to protest the backlash white supremacist are facing for standing up for their belief in White Supremacy.
I'd say the State is prohibited from and should do NOTHING to curb white supremacists from expressing their views; but I'd tell 1265 to cut their sorry asses today! And I'd guess you could fairly argue, I'm being duplicitous. That is, I'm not for all private free speech, I just want private free speech to remain free on issues I like.
But, as addressed in my "Jackie Robinson" post and some others that have been deleted, the NFL and its players are viewed as positive role models. And part of that Brand incorporates the idea that all men shall have the free pursuit of life liberty and happiness. Part of the NFL brand is grounded in its history of breaking down racial barriers. Heck, I'm proud that Lombardi was a leader like Branch Rickey is being outspoken about racial discrimination.segregation and gay rights. Ultimately the NFL decides what is and what is not a wholesome activity. They see breaking thru discrimination barriers and breast cancer awareness a something positive to support; they denounce pot smoking, wife beating and other stuff.
The movement to end police violence must be a positive thing and anyone arguing otherwise is dog-whistling. And it is inline with what the NFL brand should promote. We all know some cops do use excessive and excessive lethal force. Now let's say it's just one bad cop. Only a complete dotard would say, leave this bad cop to be. And the last people that should do this are Cops. The fact that Cops are offended at moves to punish and get the bad ones off the streets highlights just exactly how big a problem it is. Those whining about the movement to get the bad ones off the streets somehow disrespects cops are dog-whistling. Wanting all bad cops off the streets doesn't disparage cops, it exalts them, it tells them how much we appreciate the honest ones. We have tens of thousands of witnesses that if a fraction are believed prove the problem is huge and no one can prove the contrary. Those that try, manipulate stats that originate from the Cops. Cops dont write reports on their misconduct, so again only a dotard or one driven by an agenda use stats sanitized by Cops to argue that Cops dont profile, harass, assault, battery or execute minorities.