Rodgers affects every offensive play, which affects the # of plays the D has to be on the field, which affects them. So, to use your term, I think that means the QB is the center of the universe.
But, your assertion that its then contradictory to then believe Rodgers is not entitled to be an egocentric twat is a very strange argument š?
Originally Posted by: Barfarn
Why? I don't agree that the QB is as imporant as you're making him out to be but to accept that for the sake of argument, if the entire team lives and dies with Rodgers, why shouldn't the team then revolve around him? Sure, it'd be nice if he was more diplomatic/less whiny about it but at the end of the day, if we're winning then who cares how much of a twat he is?
You gotta lose your need for blame. You cant reduce my argument to monosyllabic misrepresented sound-bites; it is way too COMPLICATED for that. Learn from Smokey: football is the ULTIMATE TEAM game. The thread is about how long Rodgers can keep playing at his current level. Rodgers' performance will determine this and he'll be graded on how he plays his role. Not by how many wins, not by stats and not by how Adams or Randall plays. You say he's been āmeh;ā which I guess means [as you stated earlier] that Rodgers chucks it downfield instead of making the first down once every other game, so itās the exception, not the rule. This just not accurate.
Originally Posted by: Barfarn
However, you never seemed to respond to my post explaining how the concept of "rodgers just chucks it downfield all the time and that hurts the team" so I mean really, why should i need to explain this for the 40th time when people are either not going to respond to my argument or as you so concisely put it, reducing my argument to monosyllabic misrepresented sound-bytes? Yes, we all know that at the end of the day stats don't mean jack squat besides wins and losses and even then, you can't assign that stat to an individual player. But ultimately, we're forced with comparing your own PERCEPTIONS and EDUCATED GUESSES with other people's PERCEPTIONS and EDUCATED GUESSES - we can explain ourselves until we're blue in the face but at the end of the day, the only hard facts we DO have is stats. Which again, are of limited use, but they're there and valuable in the correct context.
In last 2 years; he's played disgustingly HORRIBLY at times; very good at others, great occasionally. In crunch time he never plays great, occasionally plays well and often plays poor or outright chokes.
Originally Posted by: Barfarn
I agree completely - the same can be said for the defense, or to a much lesser extent special teams. There've been boneheaded playcalls too. You choose to assign the vast majority of the blame to Rodgers in one breath, then switch right back to spouting out how it's a team sport. Your PERCEPTION that Rodgers is not playing HIS ROLE on the field, and thus hurting the team is based on your observation of games - however a great number of people are watching the same games as you, watching practice, etc etc etc and choose to see the situation as far more complex as you sometimes come off as seeing it. To you, when Rodgers chucks it deep, he's being a stat whore if he's passing up someone underneath. To others, they're taking into account how the offense is designed to be timing-based and are choosing to look at things in a more realistic sense. What did the coverage look like pre-snap? Did Rodgers even look at the player to know he's open? Do we KNOW what his progression on that particular play was supposed to be? If it's 2nd and 10 and you've got a 90% chance of completing a 2 yard pass with defenders in the area or a 50% chance (again, based on those pesky stats) of making a 30 yard pass, is it boneheaded or being reasonably aggressive? What happens when that 2nd and 10 becomes 3rd and 7 - does that really help the team move the chains?
Never said Rodgers was responsible for āeverythingā and you know it. But, in a TEAM game responsibility is never equally shared. Thereās 53 guys and 160M to spend, thatās 3M per. Rodgers is making the wage of more than 7 men; for him to be worth keeping [this is what the thread is about] he has to pull the weight of 7+ men. The last 2 years, he has not. And we all know Rodgers over the last 2 years has not been able to conceal or compensate for his destructive and sociopathic traits. His ability to cope with his mental demons, especially at crunch time, is the key to his continuing to play as long as and like Brady.
Originally Posted by: Barfarn
You never outright said Rodgers was responsible for everything, however, in your last post I see 8 references to Rodgers. You made one reference to the defense as a whole and one to Adams or Randall. This is extremely typical of your posts, in that you keep talking about Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers Rodgers and comparing him to Brady endlessly. This gives off the extremely strong impression that you are fixated on Rodgers, and invariably the only time you EVER bring up anybody else on the team, it's when someone else has first and you're trying to refute how important the defense/coaching/other players on the offense/special teams are. And 9 times out of 10 it eventually leads back to "Rodgers is a stat whoring primadonna that's chucking it deep all the time and hurting the team".
I mean, what are we supposed to think?