yooperfan
8 years ago

I think he was eligible for the draft last year and was not drafted or signed by anyone. The article says he didn't play in the NFL last year so Ii am assuming he was eligible. Basically he is a street free agent.

Originally Posted by: sschind 


So he's been out of football for over a year???
This is what the effort to improve the Packers has come to???😕

PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
Perhaps somebody like Richard Rodgers who is deeper on the depth could try to learn the position, but it seems like people don't understand the precision that goes into long snapping. it isn't just a shotgun snap. We see Rodgers or other QBs getting the snap at their knees, waist, chest, left or right, and are able to move to catch it. Then they have to spin or reposition the ball to grip it the way they want before throwing, and they have 3 seconds or so to do that.

on a FG, the ball has to travel a certain distance to a spot where the holder can easily catch it, and do it with a consistent amount of revolutions of spin. If you pay attention on FGs the holder normally doesn't have to spin the ball once they place it, if they do it is usually less than a 1/4 turn. Much the same for Punts, the punter wants the ball to be in the same position each time they catch the snap so they don't have to search for the strings. I couldn't say how many snaps the long snapper does through a year just in practice but I would guess it is in the thousands.
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sschind
8 years ago

So he's been out of football for over a year???
This is what the effort to improve the Packers has come to???😕

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Every improvement is an improvement but it does seem that signing a guy who didn't play last year is a head scratcher. Since not all teams employ a long snapper though there are less that 32 positions available and teams that get a good one stick with them. I recall the Bears lost their long snapper of 15 years a couple of years ago. A 15 year vet and I'd bet less than 5% of the fans could tell you his name. We had Rob Davis for 11 years and I don't recall any issues with the position.

Kicker's are finicky buggers and they need consistency. Punters hold and Long Snapper snaps because them with the Kicker can work together non-stop. If the Center was doing snapping duties, the K and P would be idle and would not have that rhythm to nail those two 50+ FG's to beat the Dallas Cowboys in the final minutes of a game.

Is the Long Snapper more important than the 7th WR? Yes. More important than the 6th CB? Yes.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



That's a big part of it. Its not that other players couldn't learn to do it its just that if you are using another position player to do it he wouldn't be able to spend as much time practicing either position and like you said, consistency is the key. You don't know how important it is to have a good one until you get a bad one.

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8 years ago
I will accept sschind's comment that it is not easy to spend time practicing at two positions. Of course I will also say that the backup OG probably doesn't get many reps so he could indeed do 2 jobs. The same as the back up OT also finding time to be the back up OG or C. A TE getting reps as the H back. An ILB also running a few plays with the OLB group. The SS lining up as a MLB. It can be and is done regularly.

The rest of you must think I am an idiot.

Comparing the LS's worth to a fictitious #7 WR (as most teams including GB don't normally even carry one) or the equally inept #6 CB who more than likely won't even suit up on gameday is ludicrous. You may as well toss in the # 10 offensive lineman. No wait that just might be the LS. Better not do that.

By reading your responses you must think I am implying that one of the Bears' Superfans Bill Swerski or Todd O'Connor can do the job as well as any LSer that GB signs. Or that if he is a offensive lineman he must be able to snap the ball too. Based on most of the comments made, I must surely think that GB would settle for anyone who wears a jock with the cup facing forward, can pick up a football and then chuck it somewhere in the general vicinity of 10 yards through his legs without falling face first onto the turf. Anything close would be good enough for me.

What I said and some of you (perhaps intentionally) misinterpreted was that the LS is a position that has had college players try out for, actually worked at, showed some aptitude for and as success in doing even though they were not centers on their college teams. Being in college is not a mystical, magical place. You can actually be at a professional football team's training camp and still do a little work snapping the football without a coach telling you to do so. Since it is actually better not worse to be proficient at more than one position I am pretty sure the coaches will not run over and tell the player to stop if they see him snapping a football to one of the punters before or after practice is over. If he shows any kind of ability I am pretty sure he would be allowed to take a football home with him and practice all summer long. Imagine the concept if you can! Doing work on your own without having a contract that classifies you at that position.

My comments were merely met to say, wouldn't it be nice if they could use the 53rd position for someone else. Maybe it would be the mythical 7th WR or 7th CB. Maybe it would be used for the 3rd QB so they wouldn't have to worry if he is going to pass through waivers or not. No I shouldn't even think like that. Having someone who's only duty is to snap the ball 10 times a game is too scared to contemplate such heresy. 🙄



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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

I will accept sschind's comment that it is not easy to spend time practicing at two positions.

Originally Posted by: wpr 


What a great point sschind had there. Wish I had thought of it myself.

The rest of your post shows you are not reading to understand, but rather reading to reply instead. I am choosing to not partake in that because it's wasted energy.

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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago
It would also be nice if all our starters played both ways. Backups, when not working and learning their position in the offense or defense, also work against the opposing side. A backup OG, will be working against Daniels in practice, a backup OLB will be going against our left and Right Tackles. So it is not as simple as just having extra time to spend perfecting what is not an easy task to do.
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sschind
8 years ago

I will accept sschind's comment that it is not easy to spend time practicing at two positions. Of course I will also say that the backup OG probably doesn't get many reps so he could indeed do 2 jobs. The same as the back up OT also finding time to be the back up OG or C. A TE getting reps as the H back. An ILB also running a few plays with the OLB group. The SS lining up as a MLB. It can be and is done regularly.

The rest of you must think I am an idiot.

Comparing the LS's worth to a fictitious #7 WR (as most teams including GB don't normally even carry one) or the equally inept #6 CB who more than likely won't even suit up on gameday is ludicrous. You may as well toss in the # 10 offensive lineman. No wait that just might be the LS. Better not do that.

By reading your responses you must think I am implying that one of the Bears' Superfans Bill Swerski or Todd O'Connor can do the job as well as any LSer that GB signs. Or that if he is a offensive lineman he must be able to snap the ball too. Based on most of the comments made, I must surely think that GB would settle for anyone who wears a jock with the cup facing forward, can pick up a football and then chuck it somewhere in the general vicinity of 10 yards through his legs without falling face first onto the turf. Anything close would be good enough for me.

What I said and some of you (perhaps intentionally) misinterpreted was that the LS is a position that has had college players try out for, actually worked at, showed some aptitude for and as success in doing even though they were not centers on their college teams. Being in college is not a mystical, magical place. You can actually be at a professional football team's training camp and still do a little work snapping the football without a coach telling you to do so. Since it is actually better not worse to be proficient at more than one position I am pretty sure the coaches will not run over and tell the player to stop if they see him snapping a football to one of the punters before or after practice is over. If he shows any kind of ability I am pretty sure he would be allowed to take a football home with him and practice all summer long. Imagine the concept if you can! Doing work on your own without having a contract that classifies you at that position.

My comments were merely met to say, wouldn't it be nice if they could use the 53rd position for someone else. Maybe it would be the mythical 7th WR or 7th CB. Maybe it would be used for the 3rd QB so they wouldn't have to worry if he is going to pass through waivers or not. No I shouldn't even think like that. Having someone who's only duty is to snap the ball 10 times a game is too scared to contemplate such heresy. 🙄


Originally Posted by: wpr 



It would be nice to have that 53rd roster spot available for someone else. It would also be nice to have a punter who could kick field goals or a FG kicker who could punt. After all they both just kick the ball. Besides, Crosby couldn't have done much worse than Masthay could he? If it means having a good, consistent player at the position I am fine with using it on a long snapper.

yooperfan
8 years ago
I see a lot of things that I agree with in these posts.
I think that since the NFL has become so specialized that they should increase the 53 man roster.
Pros- cons?
beast
8 years ago

Just exactly which position would you screw with? If the center who snaps to the QB in shotgun formation can't hit the punter's hands either for the punt or the FG attempt, he isn't much of a center is he? Over the years I read about a lot of LS who use to play another position. They could see they wouldn't make the team or they were 3rd- 4th string and decided to add LS to their ability. Why can't the starting center or 2nd string G do the same?

Originally Posted by: wpr 



You're completely underestimating the level of accuracy and specialty that coaches demand out of long snappers.

Why do all 32 have at least two kickers for every game? Why not just go with one? Because they're not asking the same thing from them, just like they're not asking for the same thing between an OL an LS.

Most starting centers aren't half as good with long distance accuracy as starting long snappers. Because Centers main job is to block and mulitask. While long snappers main job is accuracy and then getting your butt down the field for punt coverage... which is why most LS are like TE or LB weight.

Also Ted Thompson did draft a TE/LS and I believe he became a long term LS for the Bengals after he couldn't make it as a TE. So it is possible some guys can make the switch... But far far less than your implying, because the demands on LS accuracy is so high.

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beast
8 years ago

I see a lot of things that I agree with in these posts.
I think that since the NFL has become so specialized that they should increase the 53 man roster.
Pros- cons?

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



I like the idea (in theory) as the Packers have lose a number of guys that weren't ready for the main roster but later on became helpful for a different team.

But with the practice​ time limits in the CBA, coaches don't have enough time to coach up the 3rd string as it is, so I'm not sure how helpful it would be.

Also I think both the NFL and the NFLPA are both against it because your bringing in more people without​ growing the cash... Meaning the same pie has to be split more ways...


The item I sometimes question is why do they have game day inactive list? Why not just allow all 53 guys to be active (if healthy)?

Teams are paying for them anyways... Why not just let them all play?
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