Cheesey
8 years ago
I can't see the draft as being a "savior" for this teams defense. These kids are right out of college, and unless you can get a guy like TJ Watt, it might take years to develope them into guys that can do the job.
It seems the last several years for Ted is, "draft , develope, and then dump."
We make them good players, and then let them go because he doesn't want to pay them.
If we don't get competent help on defense, we might win some games by out scoring the other team, but if we have to depend on defense to win a playoff game for us, we are dead meat.
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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

I can't see the draft as being a "savior" for this teams defense. These kids are right out of college, and unless you can get a guy like TJ Watt, it might take years to develope them into guys that can do the job.
It seems the last several years for Ted is, "draft , develope, and then dump."
We make them good players, and then let them go because he doesn't want to pay them.
If we don't get competent help on defense, we might win some games by out scoring the other team, but if we have to depend on defense to win a playoff game for us, we are dead meat.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I was just thinking about this. Could 2017 be a preparation year. That meaning. We have a pretty healthy chunk of money left and not very many players worthy of spending it on left in FA that would help the defense very much. So instead of throwing money at a long shot chance of making a top defense now, use that money this year to lock up some of next years FA we want to keep. Take maybe Linsley and Dix use 15million of the cash we have left. Give them a good chunk of their guaranteed money in Base salary this year, and less in SB so they leave more room next off season. Draft some early defenders and give them a year to work into the system, and concentrate on defense again next year since we should have the offense pretty much set.
The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
Smokey
8 years ago
Feelings ?

Oh how sensitive . Pass the flowers please .







[nohair] [cheers] [nohair]

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PackFanWithTwins
8 years ago

Feelings ?

Oh how sensitive . Pass the flowers please .







[nohair] [cheers] [nohair]

Originally Posted by: Smokey 



Its passing but it sure doesn't smell like flowers.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!
nerdmann
8 years ago

I can't see the draft as being a "savior" for this teams defense. These kids are right out of college, and unless you can get a guy like TJ Watt, it might take years to develope them into guys that can do the job.
It seems the last several years for Ted is, "draft , develope, and then dump."
We make them good players, and then let them go because he doesn't want to pay them.
If we don't get competent help on defense, we might win some games by out scoring the other team, but if we have to depend on defense to win a playoff game for us, we are dead meat.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



And yet if we could keep them healthy, we'd be consistently contending.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
gbguy20
8 years ago

I was just thinking about this. Could 2017 be a preparation year. That meaning. We have a pretty healthy chunk of money left and not very many players worthy of spending it on left in FA that would help the defense very much. So instead of throwing money at a long shot chance of making a top defense now, use that money this year to lock up some of next years FA we want to keep. Take maybe Linsley and Dix use 15million of the cash we have left. Give them a good chunk of their guaranteed money in Base salary this year, and less in SB so they leave more room next off season. Draft some early defenders and give them a year to work into the system, and concentrate on defense again next year since we should have the offense pretty much set.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 


Sure doesn't sound like going all in every year until aaron retires to me.

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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

I can't see the draft as being a "savior" for this teams defense. These kids are right out of college, and unless you can get a guy like TJ Watt, it might take years to develope them into guys that can do the job.
It seems the last several years for Ted is, "draft , develope, and then dump."

We make them good players, and then let them go because he doesn't want to pay them.

If we don't get competent help on defense, we might win some games by out scoring the other team, but if we have to depend on defense to win a playoff game for us, we are dead meat.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



What good players were developed into good players and went elsewhere?
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yooperfan
8 years ago

What good players were developed into good players and went elsewhere?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


Jennings, Sitton, Lang and Hayward immediately come to mind.
Arguably Lacey and Jones could be thrown in as well.
However Thompson's drafting has been so poor that the Packers haven't developed many players that are coveted by other teams.
Most of Thompson's drafted players that have been dumped were released because they flat out weren't any good.
gbguy20
8 years ago
To be fair sitton was here for quite some time
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

Jennings, Sitton, Lang and Hayward immediately come to mind.
Arguably Lacey and Jones could be thrown in as well.
However Thompson's drafting has been so poor that the Packers haven't developed many players that are coveted by other teams.
Most of Thompson's drafted players that have been dumped were released because they flat out weren't any good.

Originally Posted by: yooperfan 



Greg Jennings, Josh Sitton, TJ Lang, James Jones all were re-signed after rookie deals, so that doesn't fit this mantra at all because they were developed and re-signed at least once.

Casey Hayward, I'll give you.
We often say it made sense to not re-sign him because we drafted CB's in 1st and 2nd round, plus Sam Shields and Ladarius Gunter's progress. But, since we had Hayward, maybe we should be more upset that we used both a 1st AND 2nd on CB's WHEN we had Hayward?

Eddie Lacy has been dinged and while he show tremendous heart, he's not someone you can rely on. Besides, Ty Montgomery is younger and fits the Packers offense much better.
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