mi_keys
8 years ago

I agree from a WR standpoint. Fortunately for Janis he may not have to become anything more than a bottom of the depth chart WR if he keeps up with his ST skills. Its not ideal for him obviously but at least he does have some skills that maks him employable as an NFL player. His ST skills make him more difficult to cut but at the same time his lack of WR skills make him easier to cut (note, that is if he doesn't pick it up this year)


Oh, and by the way Cheesey, thought the owl proved it was three.

Originally Posted by: sschind 



Absolutely agree on his special teams value. Hell, Jarrett Bush stuck around for the better part of a decade as strictly a bottom of the depth chart CB but an ace gunner and special teams captain. Janis was fantastic as a gunner last year and has value as a returner as well (at least as much as the league lets players have value as a kick returner). If Janis doesn't pan out as a receiver the way we hope, he could still end up being another Jarrett Bush type and stick around the roster for his value on special teams.
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Cheesey
8 years ago
sschind........I was WONDERING if anyone would get the reference!!!😝 😁
I thought maybe I was just too old and the reference would be lost.
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Zero2Cool
8 years ago

sschind........I was WONDERING if anyone would get the reference!!!😝 😁
I thought maybe I was just too old and the reference would be lost.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



I'm very much a t-shirt and jeans guy. My girls give me a hard time about how easy it is being a boy just grabbing the top shirt and being good to go. Well, last week I had a first date and grabbed the first shirt and guess which one it was? (Hint: it's pictured below) ... I looked down as I was walking out the door, noticed which shirt and went "shit!!" and swapped it out, lol.

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If you're curious, this was the next selection. No, I didn't roll with this one, I kept going until I found one that was more "neutral" and wouldn't get me "neutered" lol
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8 years ago
So wise Zero.
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Nonstopdrivel
4 years ago

Philly preseason game 2015, 1st Q at 6:43, 3rd 5. Janis lines up wide left runs a go, Philly blitz comes from GB left Hundley "forces" throw short left (According to Broadcasters); Thurmond gets INT and scores TD. R.Rodgers, who ran a hook, looks to his right wondering where Janis was; Bennett who supposedly wasn't coaching WRs is demonstratively ranting/screaming at Janis as Janis comes off field. The reality: Janis didn't see the blitz or he didn't know he was the hot guy and the result was 6 pts for Philly.

There is so much to separation and speed and wonderlic scores have so little to do with it and to date Janis simply just doesn't have "it."

As most of you know, the GB system requires WRs to be at a specific spot at a specific time and routes often get adjusted pre-snap and post-snap [see one example above]. The hard part is getting separation at the right time and in the right place. A WR that is 3rd read in progression that separates off LOS, may not have that separation by the time the QB looks his way.

Separation is mostly about knowing your CB, setting him up w/ false moves and having a feeling for when his balance or footwork inhibits his ability to keep up when the real move is made; then making that move at the critical moment just before QB looks or throws to a spot. Then little things like knowing how to arm bar and subtly push off turns Robert Fergusons into Chris Carters. Or, for example, knowing that a fade will be thrown to 30 yard line just outside the numbers, if covered, the WR forces his CB to inside the numbers and at last moment he jumps outside to get the ball.

Another example, on an out, the WR must force the CB inside far enough before out cut so that QB has more field and better angle to throw. Beside bonehead mistakes, Janis is simply does not have that route running "feel" for getting separation or maximizing separation.

Janis also has a very small catch radius, which means if both Adams and Janis have a quarter step on their respective CBs; Adams effectively has twice the separation as Janis.

And one WR running the wrong route can lead to disaster as shown above; but even if the ball doesn't go to that WR, he can destroy the entire play. For example, in a play 3 routes may be designed to attack the 2 safeties; the ball then goes to the guy that ends up covered by the LB; If one of those receivers, EG, incorrectly runs an out, the D wont be forced to cover a receiver with a LB.

Also, Janis has great difficulty tracking a ball thrown over his shoulder.

Personally, I dont think he'll ever get it; and after he leaves maybe he excels in a dumbed down offense. But, until then, let's hope I'm wrong, if not, he is easily worth a roster spot for his ST play and surely he'll learn to play in a few packages this year.

Originally Posted by: Barfarn 


This Barfarn was cool. I miss that Barfarn. It's too bad he sank into a wild-eyed, blithering purveyor of rabid conspiracy theories. He actually had some interesting football insights when he was on his meds. I've often wondered who he was. He certainly liked to hold himself out as some sort of insider. 🧐
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