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Pack93z
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16 years ago

Other than? OTHER THAN??? Other than has NO place in this conversation, because you're suddenly talking about a universe we don't live in.

I find it sad that people were so high on this team after the Colts game, and then we barely lose to a 9-0 team (now) and in the Metrodome, and it's doom and gloom. I find it sad that before the game in Minnesota, there was article after article about how the dome is a "carnival atmosphere" and they do a whole bunch of crap to try to distract you and get the noise level up, and then when we are guilty of some false starts it's "Discipline sucks, the O-line and the coaches have to go." I find it sad that we have the youngest team in the NFL, with a first year starter, we're one game out of the division lead with 7 to go, and everyone wants to hit the reset button.

This kind of negative crap is the reason I'm glad I don't live in Wisconsin. I can get away from it. I only pray that we beat the Bears when I fly there next week.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

I can't talk for everyone else, but I am not in that Doom and Gloom stage.. and really not down on the Packers team in general. Despite our flaws we have played with a chance to win in every game but one this season in the final possession.

That speaks volumes about the talent and ability to coach this team.

Alas.. it becomes very apparent that we have a couple of areas of concern on this team, one for more than a season or two, that aren't being improved upon.

I honestly don't see why it is so hyper sensitive of a topic to offer criticism upon the areas of concern. When done with tact and within reason.. I truly believe it is legitimate topics of conversation.

I am hardly a negative person, but when I see flaws in which we continue week upon week, or even season upon season that needs to be correct.. heck yes that is legitimate chatter.

We have been a leader in penalties this season.. we have a sieve of a run defense and our offensive line continues to be a mixed bag of results...

I love this team.. probably too much..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#72

I agree with you about the problems. I disagree that we need any huge personnel changes at this point, or that we are as hopeless as the teams of the 80's. The legitimate criticism is getting lost in the doom&gloom chatter, unfortunately.

IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#73

"pack93z" wrote:

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

Don't you get it Pack93z? If you criticize anyone associated with the Packers, that means you are a fair weather fan that thinks everyone should be fired.

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#74

I'm clearly not referring to you if you were not the ones who were saying the coaches/players have to go/be benched.
And frankly, I don't see why we can't disagree with such a drastically negative judgment on the players and coaches.

IronMan
Veteran Member

16 years ago

#75

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

No one on this board said McCarthy should be fired. Not one person. LOL damn.

Pack93z
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16 years ago

#76

[strike]I'm clearly not referring to you if you were not the ones who were saying the coaches/players have to go/be benched.[/strike]
And frankly, I don't see why we can't disagree with such a drastically negative judgment on the players and coaches.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

I have no problem with disagreeing upon opinions and judgment, but when the wand of "Doom and Gloom" gets cast upon the entire state of Wisconsin.. ya.. I probably will respond.

There are a hell of a lot more positives on this team than negatives.. we have depth and we are in every ballgame for the most part..

But challenges that go unchecked.. are ripe for the picking.. especially when improving any one of them, probably would result in a couple more win notched in the W column.

And if one has the opinion they have seen this before.. then so be it. But I disagree with the notion that it is the late 80's syndrome, back then under Harlan, we had no consistent plan for year to year management of the roster.. every spring it was like Madden.. what can we do this year.. no vision upon the next 3.

Infante was a decent coach.. but we were mighty thin in depth and made some critical errors in drafting.. back then, the draft was the only way to build a team.. if you missed there.. you paid for it year after year.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

longtimefan
Registered

16 years ago

#77

I'm perfectly calm, even a bit amused. The tolerance for mediocrity and error appears to be gaining its old foothold in GB again is all I'm saying. The coaching staff has the tolerance (check out Mike McCarthy's press conference: "I don't see a discipline problem") and some fans around here seem to also.

I saw too many instances of people having it even going back to the 70's; "all Bart needs is another year", "Lynn Dickey may not be able to run, but he's got a great arm", etc. Some defenders of the coaching efforts these last two games just took me down memory lane.

What do you think Lombardi's press conference would have sounded like had he been runnng the game last Sunday?

We lost to Brad Childress folks. It was that bad. Some here are saying that had Crosby made the field goal we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wrong. We had no business even having a crack at that field goal if the Vikes QB hadn't played so poorly. The truth is, the Pack made three picks, ran back a punt, and almost stole a game. Other than those picks and the punt TD; this game was a blowout.

"oskarliminga" wrote:

1998
Minnesota Vikings 28,
Green Bay Packers 14

1999
Minnesota Vikings 24,
Green Bay Packers 20

2001
Minnesota Vikings 35,
Green Bay Packers 13

2002
Minnesota Vikings 31,
Green Bay Packers 21

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#78

"IronMan" wrote:

No one on this board said McCarthy should be fired. Not one person. LOL damn.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

In my humble opinion, we are back to the days of Lindy Infante and Tom Braatz. Its time for this discussion to turn to the probability that we need to clean house and get a new GM and head coach, and that has nothng to do with the Favre Fiasco BTW. It has everything to do with the performance of the aforementioned individuala and their records. Ted Thompson and his west coast BS have been a disaster which didn't show itself last year but is now.

Trying to pinch nickles and hiring a coach who doesn't learn from week to week are killing us. Maybe Favre was right; we should be looking to Mooch to bail us out here.

"oskarliminga" wrote:

Yeah. And by the way, SAME person I originally quoted before all of you others got defensive.

MassPackersFan
Member

16 years ago

#79

Pack93z
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16 years ago

#80

Yeah. And by the way, SAME person I originally quoted before all of you others got defensive.

"MassPackersFan" wrote:

You say defensive.. I say clarification.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

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