DoddPower
8 years ago

I agree to a certain extent. The thing is, Perry most likely won't bring anything to the table this year, either. He's just not that good (in a 3-4). We could've invested that in someone like McClain, who would've been a better band-aid at a position we needed it more.

And then Trevathan himself is a young guy who, currently, looks like a bargain.

Who do we resign who has the same potential impact as Tevathan potentially has? I mean, we signed a guy like Bulaga to a 5 year, $34 million contract. That makes him the 2nd highest paid RT on average. Contracts like that are hurting us a lot more than giving a FA ILB a 4 year, $24,5 contract. Especially since he signed a deal which allows the Bears to pretty safely cut him after the first two years.

Add to that that Peppers' $10 million cap hit will be gone next year (which I agree with you, is way too much for this year), the cap will rise by about $10 million, Sitton and Lang will have a lower cap hit with the way our FO likes to backload contracts, Lacy won't be as expensive as first thought if he keeps his work ethic up.... If we WANTED him, we could've gotten him easily.

Originally Posted by: Rockmolder 



I disagree with you on Perry. He is a contributor. He is probably the Packers best run defending LB, and he provides some pass rush. Was any Packers pass rusher better than him in this playoffs the past season when it mattered most? I would contend that if he can ever stay healthy, he's one of the Packers best pass rushers. (that's either a good or bad thing.) I realize he can never stay healthy, and that's fair enough, but he is undoubtedly a decent player that can contribute, and that Packers obviously agree. Perhaps he hasn't lived up to his late first round grade, but that doesn't mean he sucks. Lots of players don't live up to their first round draft status necessarily, but it doesn't mean they don't deserve another chance at contributing to a team. There is a chance Perry is still ascending, so it's worth the relatively minor risk of $5 million for one year, regardless of any other players the Packers do or do not sign.

Ultimately, I absolutely agree with you regarding the fact that if the Packers wanted Trevathan, they could have had him, or at least seriously pursued him. Perry's contract is irreverent in that regard. There are always things that can happen to find room for a player a team really wants. The reality here is that Ted Thompson must have not really wanted Trevathan, at least for his market price. That may be a good or bad decision, but it appears to be the reality. If he was interested at all, I'm sure he would have at least called.

I would personally like Julius Peppers cut and someone else brought in like Trevathan. However, I do think Trevathan is a little overrated, and I can understand why Ted Thompson passed on him.
TheKanataThrilla
8 years ago

I would personally like Julius Peppers cut and someone else brought in like Trevathan. However, I do think Trevathan is a little overrated, and I can understand why Ted Thompson passed on him.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



I am surprised that this has not been brought up more. $10.5M is a bit crazy for a guy that at this age needs to be used in a limited role. With only $2.5M of dead cap space if cut it may make sense to cut him if he doesn't want to restructure. Athletically he may be able to go two years on limited reps. Maybe he would agree to restructure if we add a second year?



isocleas2
8 years ago

I am surprised that this has not been brought up more. $10.5M is a bit crazy for a guy that at this age needs to be used in a limited role. With only $2.5M of dead cap space if cut it may make sense to cut him if he doesn't want to restructure. Athletically he may be able to go two years on limited reps. Maybe he would agree to restructure if we add a second year?



Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



Pass rushers make big money, besides corners usually the highest paid guy on defense plays DE/OLB. I don't have any statistics to back me up but i'd love to see how Peppers graded out last year. Imo he was still playing at a high level and if released some team would pay him 5mil+, I don' t know if he'd hit 10.5 but he might get pretty close to that.
DoddPower
8 years ago

Pass rushers make big money, besides corners usually the highest paid guy on defense plays DE/OLB. I don't have any statistics to back me up but i'd love to see how Peppers graded out last year. Imo he was still playing at a high level and if released some team would pay him 5mil+, I don' t know if he'd hit 10.5 but he might get pretty close to that.

Originally Posted by: isocleas2 



Other than his 10-something sacks last season, the guy was largely invisible. He would occasionally make a play and then disappear. He's nothing more than a situational pass rusher at this point, imo. He's still a decent contributing player, but he's not worth his current salary for a team that is somewhat tight on cap space like the Packers.
Cheesey
8 years ago
So....if the guy REALLY wanted to come here, he could have told his agent he was interested in coming to GB.
Tell his agent to contact Ted and see if anything could be worked out.
That's what I would have done, at least.
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Laser Gunns
8 years ago

Other than his 10-something sacks last season, the guy was largely invisible. He would occasionally make a play and then disappear. He's nothing more than a situational pass rusher at this point, imo. He's still a decent contributing player, but he's not worth his current salary for a team that is somewhat tight on cap space like the Packers.

Originally Posted by: DoddPower 



Peppers also forced some key fumbles as well.

I'd be willing to argue that Peppers has been more of an asset to our D than Clay the last 2 years.

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8 years ago

So....if the guy REALLY wanted to come here, he could have told his agent he was interested in coming to GB.
Tell his agent to contact Ted and see if anything could be worked out.
That's what I would have done, at least.

Originally Posted by: Cheesey 



Yeah and his agent could have said he will play for the league minimum while he was at it. That's not how it works. You don't see too many "Andre Dawson blank contracts". It is up he the GM of the team to contact the player's agent and make the inquiry/offer not the other way around.
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DoddPower
8 years ago

Peppers also forced some key fumbles as well.

I'd be willing to argue that Peppers has been more of an asset to our D than Clay the last 2 years.

Originally Posted by: Laser Gunns 



I don't think so, especially last season. Julius Peppers made a bigger impact the season before last, but he was not a great player last year. Although I do agree that neither was Clay Matthews. I think Clay is a very overrated player, especially at OLB. I think he needs to stay inside in a hybrid role.

I'm not saying Julius Peppers wasn't a useful player last season. But I am saying he's only going to be worse this season, and he's overpaid for the level of consistent production that he delivers, which is very inconsistent. A splash play here and there, and then nothing for long stretches.
steveishere
8 years ago
Peppers racked up some sacks the last couple years yeah but while everyone was blaming the d-lineman for the long runs teams were getting against us a lot of the time the blame should have been put on Peppers. He hasn't held the edge against the run well at all in his time here and he does bring some impact plays here and there but his pass rush is very inconsistent. Love having the guy on the team but over 10m is too steep for what he's bringing.
DoddPower
8 years ago

Peppers racked up some sacks the last couple years yeah but while everyone was blaming the d-lineman for the long runs teams were getting against us a lot of the time the blame should have been put on Peppers. He hasn't held the edge against the run well at all in his time here and he does bring some impact plays here and there but his pass rush is very inconsistent. Love having the guy on the team but over 10m is too steep for what he's bringing.

Originally Posted by: steveishere 



Yeah, he should just be a situational pass rusher at this point. His snaps need to be cut back. I guess I can't blame the coaching staff though. The guy is available and almost always healthy. That's rare for the Packers. It has to be nice as a coach to have such an available player. I still think the Packers could have shaved his salary down a little.
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