Zero2Cool
9 years ago
Last season a good deal of football fans, not just Packers fans, felt the Packers were going to win it all. This season nearly everyone (e.g. Peter King -"I give up. Anyone got a solution for this team? If so, you’ve got five days to forward it to Mike McCarthy") is claiming the Packers don't deserve to be one of the six seeds in the NFC, so where did it all go wrong? What happened to that prolific offense everyone has been accustomed to watching?

Regardless of the rule changes. Regardless of the size of the players. Regardless of the speed of the players. Regardless of newly implemented schemes. Football always has been and always will be won and lost in the trenches. If you control the line of scrimmage, you control the game.

In 2014 the Green Bay Packers had 1,050 offensive snaps and the offensive line was intact nearly every game from start to finish. That continuity is what made the Packers offensive line regarded as one of the best in the NFL and allowed the Packers offense to flourish with playing 4,925 snaps out of 5,250 or 93.8% of the offensive snaps. That is simply remarkable.

Here is where it gets interesting because in the 15 games of the 2015 season (997 offensive snaps) the the starting offensive line unit played 4,186 out of 4,985 or 84% of the offensive snaps together.

That's over a 10% drop off from the previous season and it's no secret what is ailing the Packers offense.
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nerdmann
9 years ago
We're going to need at least one T on the active roster.
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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago
Do you have a comparison with other teams? I don't think we are any worse off than New England when it comes to Oline injuries. Difference is Hoodie and Brady seem to adjust the scheme to cover for the weaknesses. They are throwing short quick underneath routes to help the oline, and open passing holes for Gronk.

We keep running the same sideline go routes or back shoulders, along with TE releases to the sideline and 10-15 yard crosses. Oh yeah and bubble screens. It is easy to defend a WR when you never had to worry about them going inside.
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PackerTraxx
9 years ago
If Jordy can come back healthy, ideally, I would like to see us get a good 2 good tackles and ILB. Not that our tackles are bad, they just can't stay healthy.
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Zero2Cool
9 years ago

Do you have a comparison with other teams?

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



Nope, because other teams have no bearing whatsoever on how the Packers are playing as a whole this season compared to the season prior. I agree (as I wrote several weeks ago) about the poor routes being a problem too. I bet if you drank a shot for every time you predicted the route you'd be blitzed before the first timeout is wasted! 😂

The Packers offensive line looked good because of continuity, not because of the individual players. In other words, the offensive line is not as good as it played last season and I believe that is a big reason (other than the loss of Jordy, obviously) for the offensive failures this season. If the offensive line was healthy, maybe the routes wouldn't be so crud-like? Or maybe having a former quarterback teaching quarterbacks and wide receivers isn't all that great.
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Laser Gunns
9 years ago
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They played together 80% of the season, and played like crap for all of it.

I don't buy it.

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PackFanWithTwins
9 years ago

Nope, because other teams have no bearing whatsoever on how the Packers are playing as a whole this season compared to the season prior. I agree (as I wrote several weeks ago) about the poor routes being a problem too. I bet if you drank a shot for every time you predicted the route you'd be blitzed before the first timeout is wasted! 😂

The Packers offensive line looked good because of continuity, not because of the individual players. In other words, the offensive line is not as good as it played last season and I believe that is a big reason (other than the loss of Jordy, obviously) for the offensive failures this season. If the offensive line was healthy, maybe the routes wouldn't be so crud-like? Or maybe having a former quarterback teaching quarterbacks and wide receivers isn't all that great.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



I agree the injuries and play of the oline is big reason, but that is because McCarthy refuses to change in order to make their job easier. Sure if they were healthy and able to buy Rodgers 5 or 6 seconds a receiver could get open. But even healthy, I'm not sure we would be that much better with the play calling we have.

Defenses have figured out how to cover our offense. Even last year, the offense was showing signs of trouble. Rush 4, CB don't worry about in routes, just cover the sideline for the first 10 yards because the safeties are over the top wide because LBers can play deeper because we don't challenge the middle short.

Even with the beat up Oline, we should be better offensively than we are but play calling is preventing that.
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nerdmann
9 years ago

Do you have a comparison with other teams? I don't think we are any worse off than New England when it comes to Oline injuries. Difference is Hoodie and Brady seem to adjust the scheme to cover for the weaknesses. They are throwing short quick underneath routes to help the oline, and open passing holes for Gronk.

We keep running the same sideline go routes or back shoulders, along with TE releases to the sideline and 10-15 yard crosses. Oh yeah and bubble screens. It is easy to defend a WR when you never had to worry about them going inside.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins 



They might have more depth than we do on the Oline.
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