Ron Wolf: Legend. Ted Thompson: Failure.· Page 2

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

The media isn't the one who votes...it is his fellow GM's.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Classic example of someone worrying about what they are going to say, rather than comprehending what they are responding to. Boring.

To my understanding, it is not just his fellow GM's, it is NFL players, coaches and executives that are polled. If it was done by statistics, you would bitch and whine about that too. You've basically stuck your thumbs in your ears and started shouting nonsense over and over again when it comes to Ted Thompson. The guy could lead the Packers to back to back Super Bowl wins and you'd degrade both wins by saying he only got the wins because of Aaron Rodgers. Because somehow the mans first ever draft choice for the Packers doesn't matter a damn bit.

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#12

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

You're absolutely right. That is some truth in those last two sentences. Don't worry...he can't field a D to get us there. Yes, he is brilliant for taking a guy touted as a 1st overall when his current QB was waffling about quitting. That is genius. Plus, it also served his end to put an end to Mike Sherman knowing he wouldn't be seeing the field. I'm sure Mike Sherman just loved knowing our 1st rounder was a guy who wasn't going to see the field all year. I do love the question of why nobody else took him before us. Did any of you actually watch the draft that year? I watched it all the way through...all rounds. It was common knowledge once he got out of the beginning of the draft the next likely team to take him was us...we did. What a genius. If Mariota falls down to us, in a few days, I hope he doesn't pass because we're set at QB. Wouldn't he just be a genius if he took him if he fell that far?

EDIT: NO MEDIA VOTES for EXEC OF THE YEAR

ABOUT THE AWARDS

Sporting News polled more than 800 NFL players, coaches and executives for our 2012 awards. Everyone voted for offensive and defensive player of the year, rookie of the year and comeback player of the year. Only coaches and executives voted for coach of the year, coordinator of the year, executive of the year and SN’s All-Pro team

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#13

BTW, the Executive of the Year the year after Ted Thompson won it in 2011? Ryan freaking Grigson of the Colts...the guy who traded a 1st round pick for Trent Richardson the following year. He must be better than TT, he won a popularity contest more recently than Ted Thompson and must've let the award go to his head to make the Richardson deal.

The year he won the award? Oh, he drafted Andrew Luck after the team sucked for luck kinda like Ted Thompson sucked to blow out Sherman. What a doozy of a pick...he took Andrew Luck 1st overall. Genius like TT. I'm sure Colts fans are still praising him for his brilliance and have overlooked his move for Richardson because they win the division now.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#14

EDIT: NO MEDIA VOTES for EXEC OF THE YEAR

ABOUT THE AWARDS

Sporting News polled more than 800 NFL players, coaches and executives for our 2012 awards. Everyone voted for offensive and defensive player of the year, rookie of the year and comeback player of the year. Only coaches and executives voted for coach of the year, coordinator of the year, executive of the year and SN’s All-Pro team

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Who said the media is the one voting? Do you not understand I was using the media as an example of how he is not popular? I said I knew the media didn't vote and yet you come back with more of this same crap. Can you be anymore obtuse? You don't want to discuss this, you want to read what you type, period.

It is false to think that Ted Thompson is winning any award, (regardless of who the hell votes) based on his perceived popularity. If you want to degrade such an award, it would be more wise to say he is winning the awards because of familiarity due to his length on the job. I couldn't care less about the awards one way or another, but you don't win multiple times for being average.

Edit, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I split this out of the Goodson thread because ... that thread is about Goodson, not the validity of Ted Thompson. Feel free to modify the title as you wish.

nerdmann
Premier Member

9 years ago

#15

Yeah, like trading for Brett Favre, a guy who was a total joke in Atlanta...it was riskier than a team offering a 1 for Manziel this off season. Or...maybe, offering Reggie White the richest contract in the history of the league. Favre's career ends with zero rings if not for the huge FA splash Ron made with guys like White, Jones, Dotson, Rison, etc.

Oh, how I miss having a GM with the swagger and brashness of Ron Wolf. Org had a totally different feel back then that I prefer so much more to what we have now.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

They both acquires QBs, and more importantly both also had coaches who would develop them, without which neither of them would have been jack shit.

As for defense, one of the first moves Ted made was signing Pickett. Shortly thereafter, he signed a FA you might have heard of named Charles Woodson. DPOY. Then there's also guys like Nick Collins, Clay Matthews, just to name a couple.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#16

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

I'm aware of TT's FA moves...who isn't? They're as rare as a Buck apology. Don't get too crazy about Pickett...a nice player. Woodson? Excellent move...only made because nobody else wanted him but Tampa who wanted him to play safety. EVERYONE wanted Reggie White. Ted Thompson has NEVER ever made a move with the Packers where we acquired a highly sought after FA that was playing for another team...NEVER. Wolf did and it changed the course of our franchise resulting in back to back SB appearances.
Ted Thompson went and signed Julius to try and recreate the Reggie thing...went horribly poor man's on that and Peppers played well for us...not Reggie good but pretty good. It wasn't like there was a huge market for a soon to be 35 year old declining DE with questionable heart. Plus, Ted Thompson tried to position switch a guy who never played the position in his NFL career. Ted Thompson is no Wolf. I miss Ron Wolf. Wolf was a terrible 1st round drafter, also. He fixed that by trading and using FA. A facet Ted Thompson leaves underutilized especially with the rare talent we have at QB. Go for it, TT...for crying out loud...your legacy is going to be one SB appearance with the greatest QB of all time.

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

uffda udfa
Veteran Member Topic Starter

9 years ago

#17

Obtuse? Man, I wish you'd never seen Shawshank.

You claimed Ted Thompson wasn't popular and then cited the media as a reason why he wasn't. What does what the media think of him have to do with his popularity among his peers? I'm obtuse, here?

Ted Thompson sits on his hands per former GM: "because they’ve had 25 fricking years of great quarterbacks. Of course it works. Try it without a special quarterback."

musccy
Veteran Member

9 years ago

#18

I'm sure Mike Sherman just loved knowing our 1st rounder was a guy who wasn't going to see the field all year. I do love the question of why nobody else took him before us. Did any of you actually watch the draft that year? I watched it all the way through...all rounds. It was common knowledge once he got out of the beginning of the draft the next likely team to take him was us...we did. What a genius.
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Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

If it was such a no-brainer move for Ted, then Wikipedia the 2005 draft and see how many teams picking in front of the Packers have had a legitimate franchise QB in the last decade. The Redskins, Bucs, Bears, Vikes, Browns, Raiders, Texans, and Jaguars are among the teams who selected before the Packers. Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller did Aaron Rodgers no favors. "Wasting" a 1st round on Favre's replacement and ultimately showing him the door was much more conscientious than you're acknowledging.

I'm not trying to anoint Ted as some deity, but it stuns me how persistently you discredit someone for making moves that benefited the franchise.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

9 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Ted Thompson is not winning awards based on his perceived popularity. I used the media as an example of this. What part of this do you not understand? Wait, what is a word for being slow to understand something? Gosh, I think I will fire up Netflix and watch a few movies and see if a word comes to mind!

Rockmolder
Honored Member

9 years ago

#20

I'm aware of TT's FA moves...who isn't? They're as rare as a Buck apology. Don't get too crazy about Pickett...a nice player. Woodson? Excellent move...only made because nobody else wanted him but Tampa who wanted him to play safety. EVERYONE wanted Reggie White. Ted Thompson has NEVER ever made a move with the Packers where we acquired a highly sought after FA that was playing for another team...NEVER. Wolf did and it changed the course of our franchise resulting in back to back SB appearances.

Ted Thompson went and signed Julius to try and recreate the Reggie thing...went horribly poor man's on that and Peppers played well for us...not Reggie good but pretty good. It wasn't like there was a huge market for a soon to be 35 year old declining DE with questionable heart. Plus, Ted Thompson tried to position switch a guy who never played the position in his NFL career. Ted Thompson is no Wolf. I miss Ron Wolf. Wolf was a terrible 1st round drafter, also. He fixed that by trading and using FA. A facet Ted Thompson leaves underutilized especially with the rare talent we have at QB. Go for it, TT...for crying out loud...your legacy is going to be one SB appearance with the greatest QB of all time.

Originally Posted by: uffda udfa

Who's the closest to Reggie White in the game today? I figure that'd be Ndamokung Suh, looking at age and production. Let's say Favre and Rodgers are comparable in this scenario.

This year might've worked, but next years cap hit would've been $48 million between the two of them. That's one third of the entire cap. Then factor in signings like Dotson, Jones, Rison, Robinson et cetera and it's clear that this team just couldn't be build that way in today's NFL.

Wolf was a good GM, got us a Super Bowl and made some amazing moves in FA, but I feel like Thompson is just as good. They build their teams in a different way, but I don't think you can say that either is better than the other one.

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