dfosterf
16 years ago

[img_r]http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=U0&Date=20081024&Category=PKR07&ArtNo=81024177&Ref=AR&Profile=1058&MaxW=318&Border=0[/img_r]Aaron Rodgers has made a good first impression on the NFL.

But there remain questions about whether his Green Bay Packers are complete enough on offense to prevail in what figures to be a close race in the NFC North Division.

Three NFC scouts who have studied the NFC North this year all pointed to the running game as the Packers greatest weakness after seven games in the 2008 season.

Where I think theyre going to struggle as they go along is if they dont start running the ball, said a scout who predicted Chicago will win the division.

Of the three scouts, two were willing to predict the division one for the Bears, one for the Packers.

With the Bears and Packers tied for the lead at 4-3, and Minnesota a game behind at 3-4, its looking like the winner could finish 9-7, maybe even 8-8. Since the NFL went to a 16-game schedule in 1978, only three teams have won the NFC North (or NFC Central) title with nine wins or fewer: Tampa Bay at 9-7 in 1981, Minnesota at 9-7 in 1980, and Minnesota at 8-7-1 in 1978.

The Packers and Bears still have to play twice. The Bears and Vikings, and Packers and Vikings, each play once more.

In an overview of the Packers, the scouts agreed Rodgers is their best offensive player, though two of the three chose Chicagos Kyle Orton as the best quarterback in the division over Rodgers.

Orton has been a major surprise in his fourth season and has elevated Chicagos perennially undermanned offense into the No. 3 ranking in scoring and No. 13 in total yards. Ortons passer rating (91.4 points) is lower than Rodgers (98.8 points), but his weapons arent in the class of Packers receivers Greg Jennings and Donald Driver. Chicagos leading receiver is halfback Matt Forte (29 catches).

The scouts judgments could change by seasons end, but through seven games Orton has led the Bears to a 2-2 record on the road. In one of those losses, he threw what should have been a game-winning touchdown pass at Atlanta with 11 seconds left, only to watch the Bears botch a squib kick and then give up a 26-yard completion along the sidelines that stopped the clock with 1 second left. Atlanta then kicked a game-winning 48-yard field goal.

Orton also put up 34 of Chicagos 48 points last week against Minnesota while running a no-huddle offense for the first time this year.

The Chicago Bears with a quarterback is something were going to have to get used to, one scout said. I dont think theyre all the way there yet but the problem with Chicago is defense, so if the problem in Chicago is defense they should be OK.

One of the scouts said his only concern with Rodgers was durability, which Rodgers has answered so far by starting all seven games, including the last three with a sore throwing shoulder.

His ability to stay alive and make plays is his biggest strength, one scout said. His arm strength is a plus. And hes got some guys who once they catch it can make things happen, which always helps.

However, the scout who considered Orton the best quarterback in the division also cited the absence of Brett Favre as the biggest reason the Packers run game has underperformed. The Packers rank No. 22 in the NFL in rushing yards, No. 25 in average yards per rush, and halfback Ryan Grant is averaging 3.4 yards a carry, down significantly from 5.1 yards last year.

The other two scouts agreed to some degree that defenses fear of Favre caused them to slant game plans and more heavily to stopping him last year. However, one concluded the Packers record this year would be no better with Favre, and the other thought defenses will worry more about Rodgers as the season and his career go on.

Nevertheless, the first scout pointed to the run game as the Packers likely downfall this season, and when asked the difference from last year, he said: Its Favre. If you look at Grant in New York, he looks like the same Grant now. But of course you put Favre in there, everybodys playing the pass. When you dont have that then you go, All right, no big deal. Not to say (Grant) is not a good runner, but you were respecting something else first.

The third scout said declining run blocking by aging tackles Chad Clifton (he's 32) and Mark Tauscher (he's 31) and inconsistencies with interior blockers Daryn Colledge, Jason Spitz and Scott Wells were at least as responsible for the run games problems.

Ive been impressed with the way (Rodgers) has played and certainly like the added dimension of his mobility, something Brett didnt have, the scout said. But just because it was Brett Favre, people always thought you have to defend the pass because this guy can throw it from anywhere at anytime to anybody. Just that concept of defending Brett Favre instead of defending a passing game, they were always conscious of that. You dont know quite what youre getting.

Rodgers is more disciplined with the offense and will take his shots and certainly throws a nice deep ball. So he can hurt you. Its just a matter of him developing a reputation I dont think it will be that of a gunslinger, but hell have a reputation before its all said and done of being a quality quarterback.

All three scouts rated the Packers receiving corps as a major asset, along with Rodgers and linebackers Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga and Brandon Chillar.

They all questioned whether the run defense will hold up now that defensive lineman Cullen Jenkins is out for the season. The run defense already had been weakened after trading defensive tackle Corey Williams rather than risk making a major financial investment in him in the offseason, and watching Justin Harrells second season heading toward a washout hell probably play in his first game next week after missing all offseason through now because of a back injury.

I dont think this is what they wanted at defensive tackle, one of the scouts said. Their main guy who gave them a shot in there is on IR, he gave them a plan B probably. Theyre just hanging on on the inside, no question about it.

The scout who didnt pick a division winner expects Minnesota to make a run in the second half of the season because of its quality defensive personnel. He said both Kevin Williams and Pat Williams are having excellent seasons at defensive tackle, and that defensive end Jared Allen was worth his costly trade and new contract.

The Vikings also have the consensus best player in the division in halfback Adrian Peterson. However, they have a major problem at quarterback, where Tarvaris Jackson was benched because of his erratic arm, but where 37-year-old Gus Frerotte has taken a beating because hes immobile and in major decline.

I think at the end of the day, their defense has been good, the scout said, later disagreeing emphatically that the Vikings might be better off going back to the 25-year-old Jackson. No way. I dont think the other guy (Jackson) can play. I think if they cut the other guy hed be on the street. I dont think anybody would touch him. He cant throw the ball.

The scout who picked the Bears to win the division said two factors swayed him: Ortons solid play (10 touchdown passes, only four interceptions) plus a defense that played three games without its dominating defensive lineman, Tommie Harris, and three games without its best cornerback, Nathan Vashar. He also said Lance Briggs has surpassed Brian Urlacher as the teams best linebacker and has been the best defensive player in the division.

Before theyd always tie getting to the ball, the scout said of Briggs and Urlacher. Now hes beating Urlacher to the ball.

gbpfan
16 years ago
i think the run game will improve and our d-line will stop the run and then some i'm saying that because i get tired of hearing about how great the vikes and bears are :ramboface:
Rockmolder
16 years ago
I didn't like Grant that much last week. I mean, he did ok, but still, he averaged in in the high 3's and needed 30 carries to get to 100 yards. So ye, our weak point is still the running game (and run defense).

Saying that Kyle Orton is better than Rodgers though... I don't know. Rodgers might have a better receiving core, but defenses can focus on the pass more than with Chicago. Also, Chicago seems to focus on the run more, throwing it to short routes alot and rarely going deep. Not that he's no good at all, but I wouldn't call him better than Rodgers at this point.
Zero2Cool
16 years ago
I thought it was cute that hey says Orton is better than Rodgers essentially cuz of the Rodgers WR corp, yet fails to mention anything about each teams running game. 🙂
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Bigbyfan
16 years ago
These guys get paid for this?
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lambeauleaper
16 years ago

These guys get paid for this?

"Bigbyfan" wrote:



Seriously, that was my thought - exactly. Wow, there are "flaws" in the Packers running game. The entire running game IS a flaw at this point. And to say Orton is a better QB is nothing short of laughable.
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