TheKanataThrilla
10 years ago

so we cut Quarless then. No sense keeping him around if he is not a safe target. If the guy is on the field he you have to use him or be confident that you can use him or else WTF is he doing there. It really cuts into your play calling options if you look at your play chart then say "oh shit, we can't call that Quarless is in there"

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porky88
10 years ago

I got in a debate with someone on here 2 weeks ago complaining the Packers ran on 2nd, 3rd, and then kicked 4th and 1 from the goal.

My issue is that what I so often read here or elsewhere is analysis that essentially boils down to did the play work Y/N? If it worked and you ran/passed - your run/pass was brilliant. If it failed and you ran/passed - you're a moron or not aggressive enough. How bad would Carroll have looked if Wilson was sacked at the end of the 1st half and they didn't even get 3 points. Well it worked so he's smart now (or at least as of halftime).

On Mike and Mike this morning, I think they said Lynch had something like 9 1st and goal from the 1 attempts this year for 5 yards. As I said elsewhere, there were 109 1st and 1 pass attempts in the NFL this year....1 interception. Was the play really that risky?

As far as the put it in your best player's hands thoughts. I agree to an extent, but if you have a nice new Audi you don't drive it in the snowstorm just because it's your prettiest car. Lacy or Wilson aren't chopped liver. In the Packers' case, Lacy killed clock and timeouts in a 12 point game. I'm not saying a first down wouldn't have greatly helped the Packers, just that it's not as bad an approach as it's being made out to be. In the case of Wilson, although it was intended to be a snap decision, you still have the ball in the hands of one of the most elusive QBs in the NFL if the slant wasn't there.

Originally Posted by: musccy 


Look, I didn't throw McCarthy under the bus after the Seattle game. We did the run, run, throw thing in our five-minute offense all season. I believe we did it to the New England Patriots and it worked then. As mentioned, Quarless had a play on a third-down ball and failed to catch it. The Packers didn't just execute. I do have some issues with how McCarthy managed the game early, but there wasn't just one person responsible for what happened in Seattle. The crime there had more than one criminal.

Last night was more of an isolated instance. That’s why I don’t think you can compare the two. This play wasn‘t executed well, sure, but the coaching was not up to par in this situation.

How many of those 109 first and one pass attempts were an inside slant involving a so-called legal pick? Why not go with a play-action pass? Why not call a fade or back shoulder? Even if you agree with throwing on second down, Seattle had better plays in their arsenal to run there.

With that said, I fully understand what Seattle was thinking. I don’t agree with it. They didn’t want to have to take a timeout after second down. For example, if New England stuffs Lynch on second down, they have to use their final timeout. That makes third down a throwing situation. You can’t disguise anything then. Plus, a sack by New England ends the game. They feared that situation, in my assessment.

The thought process was that pass, run, timeout, and run makes more sense than run, timeout, pass, and run.

To me, Seattle was overtly cautious in that situation because they worried about New England too much. All they had to do was worry about the guys in their huddle. Play to your strengths. Put the ball in the hands of your best player. You and I had the discussion last week, so you know how highly I think of Lynch. As I said, sometimes a bad call is just a bad call. This was a bad call.
sschind
10 years ago

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Originally Posted by: TheKanataThrilla 



I was expecting something like that but its a good one. Its not the same IMO. In BB its much easier to set up a play to get your best guy the ball. In basketball you call the play and put your best guy on the receiving end of the play you call so you can get him the ball. In football you call the play and whoever is in the position to make the play is counted on to make the play. If the play you call, ie the one you think will work, is a pass to the TE coming off the line you are not going to line Jordy Nelson up at TE just because he is a better receiver. Or maybe you should forgo that play and call a different one that will go to Jordy because he is a better player. Of course if you do that you might as well cut out all the plays to the TE then. If coaches thought like that the only guys who would have TD catches would be Nelson and Cobb.
Porforis
10 years ago

Do you honestly KNOW the Packers would have converted 4th and 1 or would have converted in the 4th passing (keep in mind Quarless dropped a 3rd and 4 pvs. drive)?

Mike runs in the 4th...he's a wuss. Carroll passes in the 4th, he's a moron. Sure glad I'm not an NFL HC...damned if you do, damned if you dont.

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You don't get it do you? If I were an NFL head coach I would always make the right calls and if I didn't, it's because the players didn't deliver and lord knows player performance would NEVER be held against me.
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Wow.......can I blame the Packers for the diarhea I had after the NFC title game???dink
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