steveishere
11 years ago

But that's also just half of the story. If you consider only the 4 games since Aaron went down the Offense was on the field 30:07 while the Defense was on the field 33:38. I still think that this change in TOP had an influence on the let down on Defense since #12 broke his collarbone. They played pretty OK before and now they look ugly as hell.

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert 



Those TOP were close in the games Rodgers has been missing until late game 8-9 minute drives given up by the Defense skewing the numbers. Either way if 3 and a half extra minutes of field time causes your defense to collapse that's pathetic in itself.

Like I posted earlier our offense as far as possessing the ball has been one of the top units in the league. While our defense as far as giving up yards/first downs/points has been below average. The simple truth is the D is on the field from long periods of time because they don't stop people not because the offense puts them out there more. It's time for people to stop believing the myth that the offense is making the D tired. It's simply not true. Or if it is true it's terribly pathetic because they aren't playing any significant amount of time more than anyone else.
dhazer
11 years ago
Its all about the Pad level, we need to get better pad level.
Just Imagine this for the next 6-9 years. What a ride it will be 🙂 (PS, Zero should charge for this)
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11 years ago

But that's also just half of the story. If you consider only the 4 games since Aaron went down the Offense was on the field 30:07 while the Defense was on the field 33:38. I still think that this change in TOP had an influence on the let down on Defense since #12 broke his collarbone. They played pretty OK before and now they look ugly as hell.

Originally Posted by: GermanGilbert 



It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.
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DoddPower
11 years ago

This. I'm tired of this excuse. Not just for the Packers but in general (though it has been particularly awful amongst certain Packer fans the last few years). If you want a break, stop the other team on third down. Otherwise, shut the f*ck up.

Originally Posted by: mi_keys 



Lazy man's excuse.
Zero2Cool
11 years ago

It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



It's almost as if the defense lost its confidence that the offense will put up points. I would think after so much is said about Aaron Rodgers that the defense would relish the opportunity to step up and say "Hey, we're more than just a great QB".
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DoddPower
11 years ago

"Hey, we're more than just a great QB".

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Well, the simple answer to that is: they're not. Unfortunately. At least not at this point with all of the injuries.

Dulak
11 years ago

It's kind of interesting- Aaron breaks his collarbone and the defense falls apart.

Originally Posted by: wpr 



Ok so the defense isnt out there that much longer then normal - but perhaps they dont have the same drive when they seem to be on the losing end ... like even if they do well they dont have an offense to help them win.

perhaps ... Our run D was unstoppable at the beginning of the year; now its a bit porous - we still havnt shored up our coverage thou.

Do we blame our run D on missing key players? CM3 and most of our LBers? or even our pass D since the pressure doesnt get there? - or the poor coverage skill of our safetys and corners (although our courners seem decent enough).

The article talked about looking at every play and seeing what the D called on that play - so basically holding yourself accountable for each coaching decision. Got to be tough to do.

play2win
11 years ago

Ok so the defense isnt out there that much longer then normal - but perhaps they dont have the same drive when they seem to be on the losing end ... like even if they do well they dont have an offense to help them win.

perhaps ... Our run D was unstoppable at the beginning of the year; now its a bit porous - we still havnt shored up our coverage thou.

Do we blame our run D on missing key players? CM3 and most of our LBers? or even our pass D since the pressure doesnt get there? - or the poor coverage skill of our safetys and corners (although our courners seem decent enough).

The article talked about looking at every play and seeing what the D called on that play - so basically holding yourself accountable for each coaching decision. Got to be tough to do.

Originally Posted by: Dulak 


I would say with a quick glance, we were REAlLY good on run D until both Perry and Jolly went down. Having them both return to the lineup, and the possibility Richardson might get more action brings me a little hope that this can get better. Way better. Mulumba was back last Sunday, maybe he improves.

We just have to hope this D can turn the corner, and start making game changing plays in our favor.
buckeyepackfan
11 years ago
All about turnovers Gentlemen.

Don't have them on offense, create them on Defense.

A team can control the clock all it wants, if they can't hang onto the ball, they put themselves behind the perverbial 8 ball.


I was addicted to The Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around!
luigis
11 years ago

All about turnovers Gentlemen.

Don't have them on offense, create them on Defense.

A team can control the clock all it wants, if they can't hang onto the ball, they put themselves behind the perverbial 8 ball.

Originally Posted by: buckeyepackfan 



Maybe I'm seeing ghosts but I think everything is related to Rodgers.
If we are ahead the opponent is more inclined to pass and not needing to guess the play the defense might create some turnover opportunities.

Without a good offense the opponent never needs to commit to the pass and we just don't have a good defense against a combined attack. We can defend the run or the pass (barely) but not both.

I need to think how the safeties are the problem to this because I'm convinced our safeties are very bad, starting with Burnett a player that I'm convinced is not as good as we all think he is.




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