What does he need to do? Didn't they go back to the drawing board this week and preach fundamentals? I put this on the PLAYERS who are making mistakes. You don't scheme penalties.

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Talk is cheap. Changes need to be made.

What do you suggest? Benching Clifton? I mean -- we need to look at where the penalties came from today. We're injured in the secondary, so when Blackmon has a personal foul tacked on to the end of a reception, whaddya do? Take him off the field? Who does that leave in his place?

I'll agree that we have too many penalties -- but what do you do about it? We're not deep enough to bench someone for a holding penalty. The penalties today came from several different players. What needs to change is the Packers need to stop having penalties.

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That's because the lines are the most important part of the game. If the lines don't work the team won't go far.

I think the DL is doing very bad... Mainly because that banged up and the offense is keeping them on the field with too many short drives, and the back-ups aren't stepping up when given their chance.

The OL is having a lot of trouble.... Even when they have a cut back that is wide open for 15 to 20 yards Grant doesn't see it and doesn't run that way.

But the lines are having lots and lots of problems, it's not all their fault but they are having problems.

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offense looked better. defense looked like a week of adjustments are forthcoming. could be a long season.

i am encouraged by the play of tramon williams. and if Colledge doesn't lose his starting guard spot to Barbre, i'll poop my own pants.

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I'm starting to believe our defensive scheme is too beatable -- without Harris and Jenkins in there (i.e. a push upfront and good coverage) we can't get the job done. Where has Kampman been? The front four can't get a pass-rush. It's killing us right now. KILLING us.

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Didn't Colledge move to LT, Barbre went to LG, and Clifton off the field when the line started to work.

I hate the blame College stuff, he has been the best OL this year.

No he's not that good, but everyone else has been looking that bad.

Colledge need to stay on the field, unless he's injured or has play starts to be a lot worse.

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Amen Evad! I know the oline is struggling too, but it goes both ways. We could really use OUR defense to get some three and outs. It just isn't happening. When we bring in pass rushers, they already know and switch it up on us.

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The main problem with the DL right now is that the Packers only have 3 DTs, and two of them are on the field at a time not getting them much of a breather on the side lines if any.

The other problem is that the offense keeps having short drives, that make the DT go back on the field. 99% of DT can't be on the field as much as the Packers have and be good, because their so tried because their on the field most of the game.

The system were running counts on that the DL will be able to keep guys fresh, and that the guys rotating in can play some.

And we can't keep the guys fresh and the back-up have been doing horrible which means the coaches want the starters to stay out there longer.

The only things that have fix this is

1) The offense start having long drives giving the defense a chance to rest.

2) Harrell comes back and proves to be a good (which it's been reported that, he's in the best shape since being with the Packers.)

3) trade or FA for somebody good

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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe it's time for Green Bay to put Sanders out to pasture. The scheme is just too vanilla. I'm so jealous of Tampa with Kiffin and the Giants with Spagnola.

I'd love to have a guy like that on Green Bay's staff. McCarthy - go steal Jim Johnson from Philly.

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