Ryan Braun suspension should prompt different reaction from Aaron Rodgers· Page 2

Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

My gut tells me that Rodgers will stick by Braun. He strikes me as one who sticks by friends.

I could be wrong, of course, since I don't know either of them, or how "deep" their friendship was -- a lot of "friendships" claimed by prominent people tend to be fairly superficial -- but who knows if this is one of those.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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Wade
Veteran Member

11 years ago

#12

Also, why is it not possible that when Rodgers claimed Braun was innocent, Braun *was* innocent. I didn't read eighteen articles on this, but did anyone say the suspension was for activity prior to Rodgers statement?

IMO Florio is a troll who works for trolls. I really could care less about what he says, anymore.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)

dhpackr
Registered

11 years ago

#13

I don't think they would cut him. I am pretty sure most of his money is guaranteed. There is no way they will get value in a trade. They will keep him and watch his production drop due to not being able to cheat.

edit - yep here is a story that confirms it.

Originally Posted by: wpr

geez, well that sucks! I wish this happened b/f Prince left. We could have kept him instead. The thing that really sucks is that whole run to the NLCS is tainted. I hope they strip him of the MVP and give it to Kemp.

Our best season in 25 years is shot b/c he cheated. Not only that, he was so arrogant in his lies!

I can't boo a Brewer, but when he comes to bat, we as fans, can give him the silent treatment and not cheer him on.

So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste

dhpackr
Registered

11 years ago

#14

Originally Posted by: Wade

No, its just not that way. He was guilty of cheating during the 2011 season. He came up dirty b/c once the Brewers made the playoffs, everyone gets tested. So the dirty sample was collected OCT 2011, and I believe Rodgers comments came during the 2012 season

So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste

MintBaconDrivel
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

#15

After Ryan Braun absorbed a suspension for the balance of the baseball season and seemed to admit that he cheated the game, some (including us) that Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers may have some explaining to do. Rodgers also may have some paying to do. At one point during his defense of his friend and business...

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Pack93z

Select Member

11 years ago

#16

The only thing that bothers me yet is that it hasn't been exposed exactly what he is guilty of... IE.. give us the proof to formulate our own opinions on what really transpired here.

Based simply on the events.. it absolutely appears that Braun has been nothing more than a fraud.. but it may just be me, but I want the details of the events.. how far back does the evidence trail go. Whom knew what and when.

I hated the fact that the NFL buried the Spygate information.. and I will be equally disappointed if the facts here are not released. Transparency from the sports is needed more in these cases..

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

dhpackr
Registered

11 years ago

#17

Originally Posted by: Pack93z

I know Braun tested positive for elevated testosterone. He was tested when Milw. made the playoffs in 2011. It is mandatory to test players when they make the playoffs.

That test came back positive and he was suspended in the winter of 2012 b/f spring training. That was overturned b/c the sample was not 'handled correctly".

which also adds to my disgust in Braun. If you remember, he then attacked the integrity of the guy who handled the sample to protect his lies.

So if you meet me Have some courtesy, Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse, Or I'll lay your soul to waste

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#18

Originally Posted by: dhpackr

I can not imagine they will take his mvp away. If they do they should take away the Bonds HR record and McGwire's too. Then who do you give it to? Sosa did it too.

It would not hurt my feelings if everyone who was caught had 0-0-0 behind their name for their whole baseball career. The problem becomes a bigger issue. What about the guys in the 70- 80's who took speed. Did that help them? I am sure it did. The 162 game season is such a grind. If they felt "up" in Aug and Sept while others were dragging their butts it is easy to say they had illegal help getting their hits or their strikeouts.

wpr
Preferred Member

11 years ago

#19

Originally Posted by: dhpackr

It wasn't just testosterone. It was synthetic testosterone. And it was way above reasonable limits. I forget exactly the amount but I thought it was 500% above. It is used to mask the PED.

pack93, I guess it doesn't matter what the details are. Braun is not contesting them so he is basically admitting he is guilty.

Pack93z
Select Member

11 years ago

#20

pack93, I guess it doesn't matter what the details are. Braun is not contesting them so he is basically admitting he is guilty.

Originally Posted by: wpr

To me it does... why.. because if he carried out his statements last spring training with full knowledge that he was guilty all along, my opinion is 65 games is not enough. He didn't just say that he was innocent, he openly and defiantly challenged the integrity of others openly, the testing process and the game itself.

I see no reason that MLB doesn't release their findings in this.. let the facts present themselves. Asked for no less from day one.. and MLB has said that is what they were doing with this investigation. Well then.. present them so we the direct and indirect fund source of the game to know the facts.

In such a public game in which we openly talk about their contracts, events in the ball players lives.. then why not show us the ugly side of the game. How the cheats cheated... or what exactly what they are guilty of.

Could it also prove not to be as damning to Braun.. possibly but doubtful. But the next time I see him play ball in Miller Park.. I certainly want to know the facts of his guilt.

"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"

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