Green Bay Packers: Good, Lucky or Both?

MintBaconDrivel
Senior Member Topic Starter

11 years ago

While we are in between the NFL off season and the start of the preseason, football happenings are in short supply. Well, at least the on-field happenings are. With some added time to reflect, I'm reminded of the fortune that has befallen the Green Bay Packers. Which fortune, you ask? I'd argue that it's the [...]

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DarkaneRules
Veteran Member

11 years ago

Luck meets opportunity happens to every winning team every year I think. When it comes to having good players, that comes down to straight up good scouting.

Circular Arguments: They are a heck of an annoyance

nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

"There is no such thing as luck. There is only preparation, meeting opportunity."

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

WRONG! There certainly IS luck. Mostly, it is skill in building the team, but having Aaron Rodgers fall to us, and having him perform better than just about anybody could have anticipated? THAT is in large part LUCK. On the negative side, injuries are about 98% luck. The Packers have been hurt that way worse than some, but not as bad as some other teams.

BOTH is the answer.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker

Bullshit.

Aaron was jack shit until he was built by Mike from the ground up.

You prevent injuries by being in shape and maximizing nutrition. You also try to let your players play within their abilities.

Ted prepared for the draft. When the opportunity arose, he was ready.

Then he shitcanned Sherman/Rosseley and went with McCarthy instead. That ain't luck.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

Bullshit.

Aaron was jack shit until he was built by Mike from the ground up.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

"Aaron Rodgers was widely projected to be the number one pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, but slipped to the 24th overall pick, by the Green Bay Packers."

texaspackerbacker
Veteran Member

11 years ago

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

hahahaha conditioning and nutrition are BULLSHIT - I can say that First Hand. Virtually all teams/all players buy into the same crap anyway in those areas; Some get LUCKY and mostly avoid injuries, some do not.

I'd agree with some of your examples in a limited way - keep in mind, I said BOTH. McCarthy was a great choice in hindsight, and yeah, he is damn good at developing QBs, but I wouldn't give him ALL or really not even more than 50% of the credit for Aaron Rodgers being what he is.

As for Ted Thompson in the draft, and also with UDAs, maybe 70/30 skill to luck, and that's being generous. And of course, there are the less than great picks/signings he's made too ......

BOTH is still the answer.

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nerdmann
Premier Member

11 years ago

"Aaron Rodgers was widely projected to be the number one pick in the 2005 NFL Draft, but slipped to the 24th overall pick, by the Green Bay Packers."

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

Tedford product.

Did you seem him play his first year or two? Sucked.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

11 years ago

Tedford product.

Did you seem him play his first year or two? Sucked.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann

No, because he was on the bench for three seasons until Brett Favre retired (etc...) the first time. During those three seasons, he looked like an unseasoned player who held the ball a tad too high and needed to improve his footwork.

You could probably count on one hand how many QB's came from college into NFL and tore up the league from their first game.

Dexter_Sinister
Registered

11 years ago

#10

In 2010 and 2012 the Packers had much more misfortune than good fortune.

They were at the top of the league on the injury report both years.

In 2011, when they were merely average, they won 15 games.

Last year, the 49ers had one of the luckiest years ever.

I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.

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