Why all the gnashing of teeth with Ted's trades?· Page 5

wpr
Preferred Member

12 years ago

Not at all but I will guarantee you that for every player another team takes that you wanted Ted Thompson to take there will be fans bitching and moaning about the pick. Ted Thompson is not a God, never said he was, but I will bet dollars to donuts that he knows a hell of a lot more about the players in the draft than anyone on this site or any site like it. I'll bet he knows a hell of a lot more than pretty much anyone who has ever done a mock draft as well.

You certainly don't have to agree with the picks but everyone who disagrees act's like they have some sort of inside information that proves the guy they wanted will be an all pro while the guy Ted Thompson actually took will suck.

Not all of TT's picks will pan out that is for certain and in some cases the guy you wanted him to take may actually have been a better choice but so many of you act like he is throwing darts at a list of names. What makes you so certain that just because some flunkie at one of a 1000 mock draft sites thinks that the guy Ted Thompson took would have been there 3 rounds later that the team after the Packers wouldn't have taken him?

Everyone has guys on their list that they would like to see and some people actually have reasons behind it but your list and your reasons are no more reliable than TT's and I would dare say they are many many times less.

If Ted Thompson thinks a guy is worth the pick its because he sees something that he thinks the guy can offer. He is not just pulling names out of his ass simply to piss you off. Maybe you can't see it but in the end it really doesn't matter what you can see. It's Teds' list and Teds choice and he is taking the guy he thinks is the best choice at the time.

Originally Posted by: sschind

wow.

I have yet to see anyone on this or any other site including the professional ones like ESPN actually think they know more about than Uncle Ted and the Packer's system or how the Packers evaluate every player.

As for the moaning and groaning that goes on, I suppose you would prefer that fans didn't care what happens. After all we know nothing whatsoever so he should be grateful for anything. There should be no accountability to the fans because we are ignorant. Now go back to 2007. There were plenty of fans that were upset with the Justin Harrell pick. I questioned it but I said, "Hey Uncle Teddy knows what he is doing. He and his staff watched Justin in practice. They sat across the table from him. Those injuries are a thing of the past." Just because we don't know as much as Ted or his people doesn't mean we don't know anything or that we can't think and talk amongst ourselves. After all Ted may be our "Uncle" but we won't get to sit down and discuss any of this with him. Now we can't discuss it with you either.

It is rather silly and condescending for yo to say that you think people expect a draftee will still be avail 3 rounds later. Most of the time people think the player may be 1 round later. On a rare occasion 2 rounds later.

In conclusion I am going to have to write this down and memorize it because I didn't realize it.

It's Teds' list and Teds choice and he is taking the guy he thinks is the best choice at the time.

I just may have to take my son standing in Afghanistan off my signature and put this one in.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#42

Not at all but I will guarantee you that for every player another team takes that you wanted Ted Thompson to take there will be fans bitching and moaning about the pick. Ted Thompson is not a God, never said he was, but I will bet dollars to donuts that he knows a hell of a lot more about the players in the draft than anyone on this site or any site like it. I'll bet he knows a hell of a lot more than pretty much anyone who has ever done a mock draft as well.

You certainly don't have to agree with the picks but everyone who disagrees act's like they have some sort of inside information that proves the guy they wanted will be an all pro while the guy Ted Thompson actually took will suck.

Not all of TT's picks will pan out that is for certain and in some cases the guy you wanted him to take may actually have been a better choice but so many of you act like he is throwing darts at a list of names. What makes you so certain that just because some flunkie at one of a 1000 mock draft sites thinks that the guy Ted Thompson took would have been there 3 rounds later that the team after the Packers wouldn't have taken him?

Everyone has guys on their list that they would like to see and some people actually have reasons behind it but your list and your reasons are no more reliable than TT's and I would dare say they are many many times less.

If Ted Thompson thinks a guy is worth the pick its because he sees something that he thinks the guy can offer. He is not just pulling names out of his ass simply to piss you off. Maybe you can't see it but in the end it really doesn't matter what you can see. It's Teds' list and Teds choice and he is taking the guy he thinks is the best choice at the time.

Originally Posted by: sschind

It's a great point of view.

Lets remember we are all fans of this great team. As fans, we are all limited, except Zero2Cool, to the stuff we watch, read, or hear from connections to the team.

Compounding the situation is Ted's refusal to add some of the higher level FAs, and us fans are putting greater emphasis and energy into each draft.

I question many of his picks, but I'm also thrilled with many of them. Time will tell. I'm super disappointed with some, but willing to trust his system and talents here.

We are today, a far better team than we were on Wednesday. That I know.

sschind
Senior Member

12 years ago

#43

You don't know me to well, or my profession, huh? :)

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool

No I don't, since this is pretty much an anonymous site that type of information is something I would not be privy to unless you cared to share it. I made an assumption and I stand by it. You may have a football background but unless you are someone like Bill Parcells posting on the sly I hope you won't be offended if I still think Ted Thompson has more knowledge than you.

PackFanWithTwins
Veteran Member

12 years ago

#44

Not at all but I will guarantee you that for every player another team takes that you wanted Ted Thompson to take there will be fans bitching and moaning about the pick. Ted Thompson is not a God, never said he was, but I will bet dollars to donuts that he knows a hell of a lot more about the players in the draft than anyone on this site or any site like it. I'll bet he knows a hell of a lot more than pretty much anyone who has ever done a mock draft as well.

You certainly don't have to agree with the picks but everyone who disagrees act's like they have some sort of inside information that proves the guy they wanted will be an all pro while the guy Ted Thompson actually took will suck.

Not all of TT's picks will pan out that is for certain and in some cases the guy you wanted him to take may actually have been a better choice but so many of you act like he is throwing darts at a list of names. What makes you so certain that just because some flunkie at one of a 1000 mock draft sites thinks that the guy Ted Thompson took would have been there 3 rounds later that the team after the Packers wouldn't have taken him?

Everyone has guys on their list that they would like to see and some people actually have reasons behind it but your list and your reasons are no more reliable than TT's and I would dare say they are many many times less.

If Ted Thompson thinks a guy is worth the pick its because he sees something that he thinks the guy can offer. He is not just pulling names out of his ass simply to piss you off. Maybe you can't see it but in the end it really doesn't matter what you can see. It's Teds' list and Teds choice and he is taking the guy he thinks is the best choice at the time.

Originally Posted by: sschind

Most people are not complaining about who was picked, more about the strategy of trading back this year. Because of Ted doing his job pretty good in the past, the team is at a point where we don't have room for 7-8 rookies on the roster, yet alone 11. The team doesn't improve by replacing young projects with new young projects. There were better quality players available when Ted traded back, there were better quality players that Ted could have traded up for.

The world needs ditch diggers too Danny!!!

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#45

Most people are not complaining about who was picked, more about the strategy of trading back this year. Because of Ted doing his job pretty good in the past, the team is at a point where we don't have room for 7-8 rookies on the roster, yet alone 11. The team doesn't improve by replacing young projects with new young projects. There were better quality players available when Ted traded back, there were better quality players that Ted could have traded up for.

Originally Posted by: PackFanWithTwins

I wasn't enamored with the first pick, but I think he'll be fine. He wasn't on my board, because I took off all the 4-3 DE "tweeners."

Overall this draft was AWESOME, though.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#46

wow.

I have yet to see anyone on this or any other site including the professional ones like ESPN actually think they know more about than Uncle Ted and the Packer's system or how the Packers evaluate every player.

As for the moaning and groaning that goes on, I suppose you would prefer that fans didn't care what happens. After all we know nothing whatsoever so he should be grateful for anything. There should be no accountability to the fans because we are ignorant. Now go back to 2007. There were plenty of fans that were upset with the Justin Harrell pick. I questioned it but I said, "Hey Uncle Teddy knows what he is doing. He and his staff watched Justin in practice. They sat across the table from him. Those injuries are a thing of the past." Just because we don't know as much as Ted or his people doesn't mean we don't know anything or that we can't think and talk amongst ourselves. After all Ted may be our "Uncle" but we won't get to sit down and discuss any of this with him. Now we can't discuss it with you either.

It is rather silly and condescending for yo to say that you think people expect a draftee will still be avail 3 rounds later. Most of the time people think the player may be 1 round later. On a rare occasion 2 rounds later.

In conclusion I am going to have to write this down and memorize it because I didn't realize it.

I just may have to take my son standing in Afghanistan off my signature and put this one in.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Never take your son's photo off of there. Way too cool!

Screw all this other stuff. It was a much different draft than I was anticipating. Ted went shotgun. Who knew?

sschind
Senior Member

12 years ago

#47

wow.

I have yet to see anyone on this or any other site including the professional ones like ESPN actually think they know more about than Uncle Ted and the Packer's system or how the Packers evaluate every player.

As for the moaning and groaning that goes on, I suppose you would prefer that fans didn't care what happens. After all we know nothing whatsoever so he should be grateful for anything. There should be no accountability to the fans because we are ignorant. Now go back to 2007. There were plenty of fans that were upset with the Justin Harrell pick. I questioned it but I said, "Hey Uncle Teddy knows what he is doing. He and his staff watched Justin in practice. They sat across the table from him. Those injuries are a thing of the past." Just because we don't know as much as Ted or his people doesn't mean we don't know anything or that we can't think and talk amongst ourselves. After all Ted may be our "Uncle" but we won't get to sit down and discuss any of this with him. Now we can't discuss it with you either.

It is rather silly and condescending for yo to say that you think people expect a draftee will still be avail 3 rounds later. Most of the time people think the player may be 1 round later. On a rare occasion 2 rounds later.

In conclusion I am going to have to write this down and memorize it because I didn't realize it.

I just may have to take my son standing in Afghanistan off my signature and put this one in.

Originally Posted by: wpr

Maybe its just the way I read things but I have seen plenty of posts and articles that give me the impression that the author thinks they know more than Ted Thompson or any number of GMs. It's not just a Packers thing. Like I said to zero, in another response, you will forgive me if I don't think you are more knowledgeable.

I've said many times that I have no problem with disagreement with or disappointment in TTs picks. I've disagreed with picks and I have been disappointed with picks and I have voiced such in the past. What I don't do is pretend that I know more than the man does because I don't. Again, maybe its just the way I interpret things but a lot of the moaning and groaning that I read about comes from people who do think they know more.

I've seen posts where people say things about a 2nd rounder or a third rounder or a fourth rounder "so and so had them rated in the 6th round" or they could have had him as an undrafted FA. If you can honestly say you have not seen this then you have not been paying attention.

nerdmann
Premier Member

12 years ago

#48

Maybe its just the way I read things but I have seen plenty of posts and articles that give me the impression that the author thinks they know more than Ted Thompson or any number of GMs. It's not just a Packers thing. Like I said to zero, in another response, you will forgive me if I don't think you are more knowledgeable.

I've said many times that I have no problem with disagreement with or disappointment in TTs picks. I've disagreed with picks and I have been disappointed with picks and I have voiced such in the past. What I don't do is pretend that I know more than the man does because I don't. Again, maybe its just the way I interpret things but a lot of the moaning and groaning that I read about comes from people who do think they know more.

I've seen posts where people say things about a 2nd rounder or a third rounder or a fourth rounder "so and so had them rated in the 6th round" or they could have had him as an undrafted FA. If you can honestly say you have not seen this then you have not been paying attention.

Originally Posted by: sschind

I'm smarter than everyone, but I usually let other people have their say.

“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”

sschind
Senior Member

12 years ago

#49

It's a great point of view.

Lets remember we are all fans of this great team. As fans, we are all limited, except Zero2Cool, to the stuff we watch, read, or hear from connections to the team.

Compounding the situation is Ted's refusal to add some of the higher level FAs, and us fans are putting greater emphasis and energy into each draft.

I question many of his picks, but I'm also thrilled with many of them. Time will tell. I'm super disappointed with some, but willing to trust his system and talents here.

We are today, a far better team than we were on Wednesday. That I know.

Originally Posted by: play2win

Based on your comments it is obvious zero2cool has inside information that most fans are not privy to. This information may make him more knowledgeable than the average, or even the above average fan but for me to believe that he is even close to Ted Thompson or any other GM when it comes to evaluating talent he would have to be pretty high in the Packers scouting organization. Perhaps he is. If he cares to enlighten me I may be a little more accepting. The thing is though, in the short time I have been here I have been pretty much in agreement with him.

I agree with you. We are all fans of the Packers and we all support them wholeheartedly. Obviously we don't all support it in the same way and that is fine. I have said many times that I do not have a problem with disagreement. When you said :

I question many of his picks, but I'm also thrilled with many of them. Time will tell. I'm super disappointed with some, but willing to trust his system and talents here.

this is what makes sense to me. You do not agree but you acknowledge that, just possibly, Ted Thompson knows what he is doing and maybe he did get it right.

Will he be wrong sometimes, yes he will and when he is I'm all for holding him accountable. If you (not you specifically but any fan) want to crucify him for picking Justin Harrell go ahead. He screwed that one up and he deserves all he gets on it. Time will tell and all I would expect is someone to give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to guys that many of us have never heard of. I guess if you want to say he made a bad pick because some schmo on a mock draft website buried on page 34 of a Google search says the guy was not worth a 4th round pick then you are entitled but just remember, there are probably going to be guys out there that think we got a steal. Only time will tell.

play2win
Senior Member Topic Starter

12 years ago

#50

I'm not going to speak for Zero2Cool.

As far as I'm concerned, I hear you on the criticism stuff, but Ted brings a lot of it on himself simply by placing so much importance on the draft. Somewhat indirectly, but his system for talent procurement forces fans to hold more tightly to the draft. As I mentioned, we're all pretty much victims of the info we take in, by whatever means. I think it is pretty important for us all to take a bit of a step back sometimes when it comes to this stuff.

Every GM makes mistakes. I think everyone knows this deep down. I give him those. We are all human.

As far as this draft goes, I like looking at a really big picture here. We had quite a few holes. Ted just signed Rodgers to the richest player contract in NFL history. He has a window for success. We are coming off of two very disappointing finishes to two consecutive seasons following our 2010 SB win. This draft had to have been incredibly important to Ted Thompson.

I believe this may prove to be one of his best drafts ever. And that is saying something with his history. We shall see. He did not fuck around. Many roster positions need improving, and he may have done just that. The players he selected are all bigger, faster, more athletic, with the prerequisite good football instincts and good character for the most part. Give this 3 years and we'll see.

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