Zero2Cool
12 years ago
I won't try to pretend to understand this. Why do import so many things from China? I was looking at this big coffee mug that a vendor left and it says "Made in China", ... why?

How is it possible for China to produce products AND ship them to the US cheaper than someone in the US doing it?

Would it be out of line for the Government to step in and block such imports to help our own economy?
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Rockmolder
12 years ago

I won't try to pretend to understand this. Why do import so many things from China? I was looking at this big coffee mug that a vendor left and it says "Made in China", ... why?

How is it possible for China to produce products AND ship them to the US cheaper than someone in the US doing it?

Would it be out of line for the Government to step in and block such imports to help our own economy?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Employee wages and other costs in the US : 10

Employee wages and other costs in China : 2
Export costs to the US, even with extra taxes etc. : <5

If you're going to raise some huge import barriers against China, or Asia as a whole in that case, you're going to kill your beloved free market idea and piss off a whole lot of Asians.

The same China with which you have some ridiculous loans running and who provide you with lots of stuff that you can't/won't make yourself, as the US is the furthest country from being self-sufficient in the world.

That's a very, very short section on why. And that's just the tip of the iceberg and just one of the reasons... But I reckon that Wade's typing away, already, so I'll just let the expert do his thing here.
zombieslayer
12 years ago
Rockmolder missed one very important point. China artificially keeps their money low to compete against Western nations. This should be a violation of free trade, but our governments are ruled by the rich traders and could care less about common workers. So us common workers get screwed by the trade imbalance.
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4PackGirl
12 years ago
another reason? cuz unskilled union workers are makin $25/hour!!

THAT should piss some people off. tee hee.
zombieslayer
12 years ago

another reason? cuz unskilled union workers are makin $25/hour!!

THAT should piss some people off. tee hee.

Originally Posted by: 4PackGirl 



Not really. I'd like to see working class people with a liveable wage. Not everyone has skills and Americans need to eat.

What irks me more is that bank execs got $46 billion in bonuses with OUR money after running their companies into the ground then crying to Congress for bailouts. That pisses me off. That's MY money they're getting.

That $25/hr isn't coming out of MY pocket.

And for the record, it's a pretty low number of workers now who are unionized anyways. I think it's around 10%. Of those, I'm willing to bet the vast majority of them are skilled workers. I was a union employee at one time and took my job just as seriously then as I do now.
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dfosterf
12 years ago
Manufacturing in the US is actually increasing, I believe. We make more shit (in terms of actual $$$ value) than anyone, by far.
... Including the Chinks. Personally, I'll buy Chinese or whatever, if the cost/benefit to me is correct. I don't care that much if some dumbass American or some friggin' slope is stamping it out, quality is quality, and crap is crap, wherever it came from.

I'm more worried about traditional quality brands going to hell because they have to continue to get the unit price down in order to remain competitive- for WHATEVER reason. That means I have to really do my research before I buy something.

Vietnam is on China's ass in the cost/benefit category, as is Korea.

It's manufacturing JOBS that are gone, not manufacturing.
DakotaT
12 years ago
Don't you think part of the agreement of China buying our debt is that we flood our country with their crappy products?
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DakotaT
12 years ago

Manufacturing in the US is actually increasing, I believe. We make more shit (in terms of actual $$$ value) than anyone, by far.
... Including the Chinks. Personally, I'll buy Chinese or whatever, if the cost/benefit to me is correct. I don't care that much if some dumbass American or some friggin' slope is stamping it out, quality is quality, and crap is crap, wherever it came from.

I'm more worried about traditional quality brands going to hell because they have to continue to get the unit price down in order to remain competitive- for WHATEVER reason. That means I have to really do my research before I buy something.

Vietnam is on China's ass in the cost/benefit category, as is Korea.

It's manufacturing JOBS that are gone, not manufacturing.

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12 years ago
Well, fuck 'em. They make me hate 'em, in and out of this country. It's not my fault. 🤐

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12 years ago
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