play2win
13 years ago
Thrilla, I'm guessing they are happy with Evan Deitrich-Smith as our backup C for 2012. Maybe they looked at that and figured the greater priority was defensive starters & depth. I wanted Ted to take a C too, but what we have could work fine this year. There is also the possibility that there wasn't anyone available who was more talented than Sampson Genus, another C from their PS.

I don't have any complaints about this draft. They were aggressive in securing -their- players after R1, which I thought was great. All of them have some remarkable intangibles at their positions, those that are often coveted. All seem to be fits in character as well.

Some DL/LBs from 2011 will have to battle for their jobs with this kind of talent infused. Wynn, Neal, Wilson, Green, Zombo, Walden, Jones, So'oto - they all have to fight like hell. They could all be gone. 9 sacks total by those 8 players...
Wade
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13 years ago
+ 1 to everyone who has bothered to post in this thread. My thanks.

Especially since I know, and you all know, that what I say about individual college players is worth no more than the paper the original post is printed on.

I am not a draft expert. I would never pretend that I’m an expert on college football players. To my mind, the only people who are those things do it as a full time job.

I don’t hang out with the right people. Almost all of the people who are experts work for NFL or NCAA teams. The very few experts who aren’t -- the Mayocks and Kipers -- hang out almost constantly with those team experts via pro days and Blackberry. And even those I would never want making real personnel decisions for the Green Bay Packers. (Everyone remember’s how well Matt Millen panned out as an NFL executive, right? And Millen had far better information about player possibilities than Mayock and Kiper, much less any of us. ) The needed kind of expertise is not even just a full-time job, it’s 50/60/70/more hours/week job with lots of travel and really big Rolodexes. It’s a job that takes years of practice.

Anyone else is either a fan, a hobbyist, a pretender, or some combination thereof. Everyone else is guessing on information that is seriously, woefully, incomplete.

I don’t pretend to be anything other than a fan who, for a couple months a year, eats up third- and fourth- and fifth-hand information about prospects, and then puts that information together with my fanitude, with my beliefs about the Packers system and needs, and with my beliefs about what would make players a good fit for that system and needs. I really care about what other teams might do when I believe their choices might affect Packer options, strategies, and tactics. For a couple months a year I give my gut feelings and those l0w-quality information sources free reins, vent and cheer and piss and moan and opine strenuously about a couple hundred prospects.

And for the rest of the year, I could care less about college football. And I could care less about players 45-90 on other pro teams. For me, college football only is interesting at draft time. For me, I care about other teams only insofar as they are playing the Packers, affecting the Packers won/loss record, or are rivalry teams like the meatheads down south or the silly guys in purple and yellow.

Draft discussions are, for me, the kind of things guys (of whatever gender) do when hanging out in bars. Sometimes we’ve got a bit too much alcoholic lubrication. Sometimes we talk out of our ass. And, virtually always, we let our hobbyist pretensions, our fandom, or both, lead us into claims that should never be persuasive to any serious expert on college prospects.

I’ve always liked bars. I like that kind of social interaction. Now that I’m a geezer, I can’t hang out at bars the way I used to, but thankfully there are places like online chats providing a really good substitute. But whether its a bar or a chatroom, it’s not the kind of talk that I use to worry about “being right” all that much. It’s a place to get loud and obnoxious, and claim certainties that no mind with an ounce of reflective ability should ever truly believe are certainties. A place where you can set aside the damn job, make gratuitous comments about sex and Sage Steele, about politics and the pinheads of Washington, and about the stupidity of Viking fans and one’s fellow humans.

A place where you can hang out with other people who like to do the same things.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Green Bay Packers: The Packers had eight picks and used them all on defense. I love the picks of Worthy and CB Casey Heyward (62) in Round 2, though I’m not sold that Nick Perry (29) will fit Green Bay’s scheme that well. But this is a franchise that deserves the benefit of the doubt. Grade: B-plus

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So, eight picks and all eight were on defense? More evidence that draft grades are stupid, especially when the person shooting out the grades doesn't even know the picks made.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

So, eight picks and all eight were on defense? More evidence that draft grades are stupid, especially when the person shooting out the grades doesn't even know the picks made.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Don't you know our new QB doubles as a Defensive Tackle and our new OL doubles as our Strong Safety?
[sarcasm]
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PackerTraxx
13 years ago
I like TT's draft. He did what he had to do. He went and got the BPAs that filled a critical need. Personally, I like Perry. I think he has more potential than McClellen, he also played against much stronger competition. Ted Thompson must have also liked him because he passed on Upshaw to get him. Worthy is a nice pick with that 2. The only other person I could see worth that consideration was Still. Trading down would have made getting players of this caliber risky at best. The only way I would have considered that is if one of the worst teams offered a rediculous trade. Like their 2nd, 4th and 1st next year for our 1st. Now, having rookies drafted at these points having an impact is far from certain. So let's hope for the best.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

"The Charlotte Bobcats have a better win percentage than some of the 'expert' mock drafts.''
-- TCrabtree83, Green Bay tight end Tom Crabtree.



Guilty as charged, your honor.

Peter King wrote:


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wpr
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13 years ago
^ love it.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
Peter King if I'm not mistaken picked 2 picks for our 1st round pick - who he thought we'd get and who he thinks we should have gotten. We ended up with both players. So maybe he's wrong for other teams, but he was right for us and strangely, with 2 picks.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

Peter King if I'm not mistaken picked 2 picks for our 1st round pick - who he thought we'd get and who he thinks we should have gotten. We ended up with both players. So maybe he's wrong for other teams, but he was right for us and strangely, with 2 picks.

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 



He was 1 for 2, which at .500 is helluva lot better than the Bobcats!

28 PACKERS
WILL PICK - Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
SHOULD PICK - Doug Martin, RB, Boise State

Worthy would be the long-term replacement for Cullen Jenkins, though I could see G.M. Ted Thompson going for a big-potential outside threat like Nick Perry or Shea McClellin as a bookend pass rusher for Clay Matthews. Martin is the kind of versatile cold-weather back who would fit the Pack perfectly. "He's this draft's Ray Rice," one personnel man told me.

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13 years ago
I was 2 for 2 on our first 2 picks...even though I had them bassackwards!!! [palm]
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