Zero2Cool
12 years ago
What are your thoughts on Scott Walker?
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porky88
12 years ago

What are your thoughts on Scott Walker?

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 


I am not a fan of Scott Walker’s. He’s not any different from any other politician, but I don’t like the recall approach at all. He won his election, so he should serve out his term unless there’s any unforeseen circumstance. What happens when Democrats get into office and they do something unpopular? Wisconsin is a divided state politically. It may lean blue, but there is enough red to possibly recall a sitting democrat governor. Turn about is fair play. This may have opened Pandora’s Box now and it might not be just limited to the Badger state. This seems like a bad precedent to set.
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12 years ago
This recall affects more than just Wisonsin. When Walker went after collective bargaining like he did, he woke up a sleeping giant called the American labor movement. His efforts will affect other elections because Republicans waged war on the American worker through Walker. Mess with people's livelihoods like that and they will get off their ass and become active politically.
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Wade
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12 years ago

This recall affects more than just Wisonsin. When Walker went after collective bargaining like he did, he woke up a sleeping giant called the American labor movement. His efforts will affect other elections because Republicans waged war on the American worker through Walker. Mess with people's livelihoods like that and they will get off their ass and become active politically.

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They already are. /see current Prez.

I won't argue the historical roles played by unions. I won't even argue against the "we needed them" argument.

But the key word in that quotation is "needed." Past tense.

Today is not 1912. The world has changed. Unions, like the big corporations they oppose, are organizations built upon conformity and similarity. To be successful, today's organizations and today's individuals must be built from uniqueness and difference. Most markets, global and otherwise, are no longer mass markets. Yes, there are big players (Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook), but most of them are big because they've found ways to scale "being different things to everyone," not from being the same thing for everyone. Today's buyers have had enough experience with bespoke life that they aren't going to give it up as long as people find ways of producing bespoke goods and services cheaply enough, and there are billions of independent contractors out there who are willing to do so. Amazon Marketplace, eBay, Alibaba.com -- these are the future.

The sooner Americans realize that unions and big corporations need to go the way of the dinosaur, the better.

Walker? He's a politician who has glommed onto an idea. But he's still a politician. A prostitute without stilettos and a microminiskirt is still a prostitute.

The real lesson of the recall is that too many of the people of the state of Wisconsin haven't realized what century they're living in. And until they do Wisconsin is destined, like Iowa, to being a state of third-raters.
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DakotaT
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12 years ago
The problem with unions is they become the same creature as the current Republican top 10%ers. They are hogs at the trough. When times are good the unions overnegotiate compensation for their laborers. The Republican Greed is that they made all the tax laws to benefit the wealthiest people. A minimum wage of $6.25 for a laborer of any kind is unacceptable in the times we live in.

The next election is going to shape how this country moves forward. But I do agree with Big Labor Unions and Corporation are too powerful and anybody that differentiates between them as righteous and unrighteous has a stake somewhere. This country needs to rebuild its middle class.
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12 years ago

The problem with unions is they become the same creature as the current Republican top 10%ers. They are hogs at the trough. When times are good the unions overnegotiate compensation for their laborers. The Republican Greed is that they made all the tax laws to benefit the wealthiest people. A minimum wage of $6.25 for a laborer of any kind is unacceptable in the times we live in.

The next election is going to shape how this country moves forward. But I do agree with Big Labor Unions and Corporation are too powerful and anybody that differentiates between them as righteous and unrighteous has a stake somewhere. This country needs to rebuild its middle class.

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Er, minimum wage is 7.25 in Iowa.

Troy: Are you saying it should be lower or higher?
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12 years ago
It should be higher. This country's disgrace is that two people both working can barely scratch out a living. Not everyone is capable of a college degree and a high paying job - but they shouldn't be slaves because they lack intelligence. A married couple both working full time should at least gross $40,000 a year which puts us at a minimum wage of $10.00 an hour.

$10 * 172 hours a month * 12 months = $20,640 gross income. That is not unreasonable at all. Hell I pay up to $15 an hour for my part time seasonal work. And there is no thinking involved, cause I do it for them. 🙂
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It should be higher. This country's disgrace is that two people both working can barely scratch out a living. Not everyone is capable of a college degree and a high paying job - but they shouldn't be slaves because they lack intelligence. A married couple both working full time should at least gross $40,000 a year which puts us at a minimum wage of $10.00 an hour.

$10 * 172 hours a month * 12 months = $20,640 gross income. That is not unreasonable at all. Hell I pay up to $15 an hour for my part time seasonal work. And there is no thinking involved, cause I do it for them. :)

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Numbers are interesting things:
1. I don't work as long hours as I used to. Based on my course load and my employer expectations re: research/service/good course evals/etc., that would mean 70+ hours/week, and I'm just not committed to said employer that much anymore. But if I was, my hourly would be just over $18. Beekeeping work looks better all the time.
2. I wrote an e-book for $1000 once. Bit over 100 pages. If I could have done it at a rate of 1 page/hour, it would have paid $10/hour. Research, etc., included, it took *well* over 200 hours. Oops.
3. Shelter (25% of income of 20,640) = $430/month. Food (20% of same amount) = $340/month. Leaving for all other stuff: $950/month. Subtract $225/month from this for medical, $100 for phone, $275 for gas/car, and $175 for tax/tithe, and that leaves $175/month for clothing and entertainment and savings. (Yes, I know taxes take a bigger chunk than that $175, but that's the problem of society overtaxing, not the problem of employers paying too little.)

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
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Cheesey
12 years ago
$10 an hour wouldn't be bad at all, if you could take most of that home.
But with taxes taking a huge cut, then health insurance, then taxing you to SPEND any of it, i bet a $10 an hour job ends up actually being about $5 an hour.

It's funny. The people screaming the loudest about what Walker is doing, which is trying to keep government workers from raiding all the tax money, are the ones that are being miss lead into thinking he's trying to kill off all unions. Which is in no way true. He's keeping Wisconsin taxes from skyrocking like most other states are doing now.

He wants teachers and state workers to pay more of their fair share of health insurance, which MOST workers that arn't working for the state have been doing for decades.

But hey, paint the guy as HITLER, and the people that don't bother to actually check what the facts are, will pick up their pitch forks and rally to haul him away.

Oh......and WHO has to foot the bill for this re-call???? Yup....us poor people. TAX payers.

Where were the "re-call" buzzards when Gov. Doyle handed over sweet deals to the indian tribes with their casinos? Deals that cost the state MILLIONS of dollars EVERY year for EVER?
Yeah.....he was really watching out for us "little people" then, wasn't he?

I hate politics. It's NEVER "even". Your side can rape and pillage, and act like it's their right. But let the OTHER side do anything you don't like, and it's "OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!!!"
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