Zero2Cool
13 years ago
Ugh, I know, no full article posting, but this is a good one and I'll take the heat. Please click the authors name to support their work (and help me not get chewed out!).

I think this is a good read and Finley haters (the few) should read it.

Green Bay - There are parts of tight end Jermichael Finley's game you can identify with no difficulty at all.

There are the catches (42), the yards (600) and the touchdowns (six). There are the drops (nine), the false-starts (four) and the lapses in blocking (occasional). There are the complaints to the officials (a few too many) and the brash statements (fewer than in previous years).

There are all those things that make Finley as recognizable on the field as any member of the Green Bay Packers.

Then there are the things you probably don't see at all.

Like the incredibly long list of plays he has to run from one of five positions he plays for the NFL's fourth-leading offense. Like the attention Finley draws from opponents on almost every passing play. Like the role he plays in helping quarterback Aaron Rodgers identify coverage before the ball is snapped.

Finley might frustrate the button-down fan who would prefer he be less demonstrative on the field, be a little more humble and care at little bit less about his next contract. From an opponent's perspective, however, he is a respected if not feared force.

"You have to deal with him," said Tampa Bay Buccaneers pro personnel director Shelton Quarles, whose team held Finley to one catch for 30 yards. "You can't cover him with a linebacker. He's too quick. It's tough to do it with a safety, too.

"You can try to cover him with a corner. But you have to put someone over the top against him. But then there's Jordy (Nelson). He can hurt you, too. It's sort of like pick your poison."

Based on the way teams have played the Packers this season, opponents have chosen not to let Finley bring them to their knees. There is rarely an occasion where Finley gets to run a route with only one defender to worry about.

"Usually, it's an inside linebacker underneath and a safety over the top," Finley said. "Sometimes it's a corner and sometimes it's a safety. But there's usually someone over the top. I don't know if everybody sees that."

Finley's value to the 2011 Packers is best quantified in team production.

Many fans argue that Finley's value isn't that great because the team won a Super Bowl last year when he missed all but five games with a knee injury. But the 12-0 record and offensive dominance this season suggest otherwise.

You have to factor in the flawless play of Rodgers, but it would be hard not to acknowledge Finley has played a large part in the offense seeing its numbers increase from 358.1 yards, 24.2 points and two passing touchdowns per game last year to 405, 35 and three this year.

And with the pressure on the offense greater because of the defense playing at a far poorer level than a year ago, those improved numbers have been vital to the team's success.

"I think he is critical," said an NFC personnel executive who asked not to be identified. "Look at the Packers and those receivers and think about that. I'm sure he's helping out Jordy. Jordy is playing his (butt) off from what I've seen. But (Finley) has a lot to prove."

What makes Finley especially valuable is the multiple positions he can play. Listed at 6 feet 5 inches and 247 pounds, he is as fast as many receivers in the NFL and quicker than a lot of them.

His big soft hands have deserted him at times this season, but that probably has more to do with him pressing a little bit - his coaches say he's taking his eye off the ball because of his desire to get yards after the catch. When it counted in a 38-35 victory over the New York Giants on Sunday, he plucked a Rodgers dart from the air and outran a linebacker for a 24-yard gain to start the game-winning drive.

During a game, he'll line up in as many as five positions: in-line tight end, slot and flex receiver, outside receiver and fullback. Often, he lines up wide by himself to draw a safety so a receiver on the other side can get one-on-one coverage.

Because Greg Jennings often gets the other double-team, Nelson, Donald Driver and James Jones get most of the one-on-ones.

"They move him a ton, too," the personnel executive said. "The backfield, they flex him out, they use him to see how a team is going to defend him so Aaron knows what kind of coverage he's going to get. He (Rodgers) has got this guy that can move around and see how the defense shifts.

"He's so fast and quick in and out of his breaks, just like a big receiver. A linebacker can't play him. You go straight man, you have to put a cover safety or a big corner on him and then put a safety over him. We don't have one of those. I really want Santa to bring us one of those for Christmas."

A perfect example of Finley's impact came on Nelson's 21-yard catch in the fourth quarter that set up the Packers' last touchdown against the Giants. Finley lined up in the left slot and motioned all the way to the other side of the field.

The safety who was covering him followed and Rodgers understood he had man-to-man coverage on Nelson. He threw the ball up and Nelson made a terrific catch over a cornerback who had no safety help.

Another time, Finley not only drew a linebacker in coverage, but the Giants removed defensive lineman Justin Tuck from their pass rush so he could jam Finley at the line and tie him up. The Giants sacrificed pass rush to neutralize the tight end.

Finally, on Driver's first touchdown, the Giants blew coverage and left the Packers receiver wide open. Two defenders went after Finley and a third seemed occupied by him.

"That's my thing right now, remembering we have a great receiving corps," Finley said. "I like being part of it. That's what I wish for and dream about. But I have to be patient. Sometimes you're opening things up for other guys."

This season Finley has played split end roughly 25% of the time, slot or flex receiver 28% of the time, tight end 43% of the time and fullback 4% of the time. In order to do that, he has to study the assignments of each position, be prepared to execute them from different spots in the formation and read the way the opposition is playing him.

The closest thing might be the receiver position, where wideouts must learn split end, flanker and slot.

"I don't think it's even close," tight ends coach Ben McAdoo said. "He has stuff from the backfield and stuff from the in-line position. It's like playing receiver, slot receiver, split end, tight end, tackle, fullback - you have to be able to do it all.

"You try to hone it in what you have for that particular week. But usually at some point in time he'll have something from every area."

Finley said remembering all the assignments is harder than actually executing, but he said while his grades might not have been the best at the University of Texas, his football knowledge is top-shelf.

McAdoo wouldn't dispute that.

"You can't be a (dummy), no," McAdoo said. "You have to be able to think quick. A lot of time book smarts may help, may not help. Usually they help you in the classroom.

"When you're on the field you have to think quickly. You have to be able to react quickly in space and naturally in space. That's something he does well. He's got a lot on his plate. We ask a lot of him."

Finley, it seems, delivers in more ways than one.

Tom Silverstein  wrote:


UserPostedImage
nerdmann
13 years ago
So, Finley is awesome because of a bunch of things that we can't see?
Maybe he didn't drop those balls, because he heard footsteps. Maybe is just trying too hard. But the dude has YET to prove himself. I'd like to see him bust out. I'd LOVE to see him bust out.
This is the year of the takeover, Finley. Take over a game.
“Winning is not a sometime thing, it is an all the time thing. You don't do things right once in a while…you do them right all the time.”
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

So, Finley is awesome because of a bunch of things that we can't see?
Maybe he didn't drop those balls, because he heard footsteps. Maybe is just trying too hard. But the dude has YET to prove himself. I'd like to see him bust out. I'd LOVE to see him bust out.
This is the year of the takeover, Finley. Take over a game.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 



Care to explain what your point is here for those who are failing to understand it, namely, myself? You come off like the article is excusing Finleys drops. I didn't get that impression, but rather a mention that he adds more to the team than numbers.
UserPostedImage
13 years ago
I think I qualify for the hater category, as I have been critical of Finley at times.

No one would question that he's a weapon, but he needs to do more than he has to be called some of the things some people claim he is, like "elite", "best receiving TE in the NFL", etc.

I'm sure he does help Rodgers determine coverages by his motion and various alignments, and I think Silverstein is one of the best Packer writers out there. I tend to accept most of what he says in this article, and I think Finley is very valuable.

What I don't buy are exaggerations like this-

Listed at 6 feet 5 inches and 247 pounds, he is as fast as many receivers in the NFL and quicker than a lot of them.



Finley ran a 4.82 40 yard dash at the Combine, with a 1.65 10 yard split. In comparison, here are the numbers for our WRs-

Jordy 4.51 and 1.50
Jones 4.54 and 1.54
Jennnings 4.42 and 1.57
Driver 4.45 and ???
Cobb 4.46 and 1.56

So he's not even close to as fast or as quick as any of our 5 WRs. And ours aren't the fastest out there. Most WRs in the league can at least run in the 4.5 range. The SLOWEST WR 40 time from the 2008 combine that Finley attended was 4.69, a significant .13 seconds faster than Finley. The slowest WR this year was 4.71, still WAY faster than Finley. So that statement is basically false. There are few, if any, WRs in the NFL that Finley is faster than.

Finley isn't slow for a TE, but he's not fast for one either. He's about average. Vernon Davis is fast for a TE. Antonio Gates. Jimmy Graham. Not Finley. Speed is not what sets him apart, especially after the knee problems he has had.

His height, length, hands and body control are what make him such a weapon. And his hands have failed him 9 times this year. That's way too many drops for a player who is much more receiving TE than blocking TE.

I'm still glad he's on the team, and hope they put the franchise tag on him next year. But if he wants to be the highest paid TE in the game, he needs to improve.
Zero2Cool
13 years ago
My biggest concern was his health, that of Jermichael Finley of course. Now, I'm starting to be concerned with his hands.
UserPostedImage
zombieslayer
13 years ago
I stopped reading after he called us "the NFL's 4th leading offense."
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Zero2Cool
13 years ago

I stopped reading after he called us "the NFL's 4th leading offense."

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 


YARDS BABY ITS ALL ABOUT THE YARDS!!!
UserPostedImage
go.pack.go.
13 years ago
Only thing I disagree with in this article is where he said that Finley complains to the refs too much. I've never seen him go up to a ref and complain to him. He will throw his arms up just like any other receiver/TE does...but he doesn't do as suggested in this article.
UserPostedImage
evad04
13 years ago

So, Finley is awesome because of a bunch of things that we can't see?
Maybe he didn't drop those balls, because he heard footsteps. Maybe is just trying too hard. But the dude has YET to prove himself. I'd like to see him bust out. I'd LOVE to see him bust out.
This is the year of the takeover, Finley. Take over a game.

Originally Posted by: nerdmann 


Things Finley has managed thus far:

-while ranking only 15th among tight-ends in receptions (42), he is fifth in yards (600)
-among TEs with at least 20 catches (a barometer I have personally selected), Finley ranks 4th in average yards/catch
-only Rob Gronkowski (13), Jimmy Graham (8), and Tony Gonzalez (7) have caught more TD passes (for tight ends)
-33 of Finley's 42 catches have been for 1st downs; among TEs with at least 20 catches, Finley's 1st down conversion % is 4th

Finley, statistically speaking, is among the very best TEs in the league. Greg Jennings is 7th among wide receivers in yards (929), and he and Nelson are tied for second in TDs (9). Where am I going with this? Green Bay clearly has a ton of weapons. I can only speculate, but I'd bet anything in my pockets that if you put Finley on a less talent-laden roster, his production would be higher. Teams would lean on him more than we currently are.

Finally, Finley impacts the game in ways that aren't directly measured from his production. There have been several games wherein his presence commands a high-low double team. This frees up all the other guys.

I happen to think that Jordy is a stellar player, but I can't help but think his production has been affected by having Jennings and Finley on the field at the same time.
William Henderson didn't have to run people over. His preferred method was levitation.
"I'm a reasonable man, get off my case."
zombieslayer
13 years ago

Things Finley has managed thus far:

-while ranking only 15th among tight-ends in receptions (42), he is fifth in yards (600)
-among TEs with at least 20 catches (a barometer I have personally selected), Finley ranks 4th in average yards/catch
-only Rob Gronkowski (13), Jimmy Graham (8), and Tony Gonzalez (7) have caught more TD passes (for tight ends)
-33 of Finley's 42 catches have been for 1st downs; among TEs with at least 20 catches, Finley's 1st down conversion % is 4th

Finley, statistically speaking, is among the very best TEs in the league. Greg Jennings is 7th among wide receivers in yards (929), and he and Nelson are tied for second in TDs (9). Where am I going with this? Green Bay clearly has a ton of weapons. I can only speculate, but I'd bet anything in my pockets that if you put Finley on a less talent-laden roster, his production would be higher. Teams would lean on him more than we currently are.

Finally, Finley impacts the game in ways that aren't directly measured from his production. There have been several games wherein his presence commands a high-low double team. This frees up all the other guys.

I happen to think that Jordy is a stellar player, but I can't help but think his production has been affected by having Jennings and Finley on the field at the same time.

Originally Posted by: evad04 



I was going to counter your argument by saying that we take a lot more attempts than other teams, but then looked it up and found out that we're #17 in passing attempts.

So, never mind. You've made some good points that I can't refute.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Fan Shout
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : WR who said he'd break Xavier Worthy 40 time...and ran slower than you
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Who?
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Texas’ WR Isaiah Bond is scheduled to visit the Bills, Browns, Chiefs, Falcons, Packers and Titans starting next week.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : Spotting ball isn't changing, only measuring distance is, Which wasn't the issue.
Zero2Cool (2-Apr) : The spotting of the ball IS the issue. Not the chain gang.
Mucky Tundra (2-Apr) : Will there be a tracker on the ball or something?
Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : uh oh
Martha Careful (1-Apr) : Too bad camera's can't spot the ball as well.
Mucky Tundra (1-Apr) : So will the chain gang be gone completely or will they still be around as a backup or whatever?
Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : The method for measuring first downs in the NFL will switch from chain gangs to camera-based technology in 2025, the league announced.
Martha Careful (1-Apr) : A big step in the right direction. Just put in the college system is very very good.
Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : NFL has passed a rule that allows both teams to possess the ball in OT during the regular season
Zero2Cool (1-Apr) : Touchbacks on kickoffs will now bring the ball to the 35-yard line.
beast (31-Mar) : It might of gotten more popular recently, but braiding hair (even men) in certain cultures goes back for centuries.
Martha Careful (30-Mar) : Is men braiding their hair a new style thing? Watching the NCAA men's tournament many players have done
Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Ha. Well, it'd be nice for folks to reset their own password. Via validated email 😏
beast (29-Mar) : Monopoly was supposed to be an educational game, that show how evil capitalism was and how we should avoid it
beast (29-Mar) : Lol, I was thinking username would be better, as then I wouldn't have to keep an email up to date lol 😂
beast (29-Mar) : Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol
wpr (29-Mar) : sure is
Zero2Cool (29-Mar) : Monopoly is a rip off of The Landlord's Game
wpr (27-Mar) : 28 days until the draft
earthquake (27-Mar) : Which seemed strange to my 9 year old self, that you could be a fan for a team other than the one you play for
earthquake (27-Mar) : Nothing eventful happened, other than it being clear that he was a bengals fan
earthquake (27-Mar) : And we went and hung out with him one afternoon, I must have been 9 or so
earthquake (27-Mar) : That’s wild, when I was a kid my friend lived in the same apartment complex in De Pere
Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : Only career highspot was a 200 yard rushing game while playing for the Cardinals
Mucky Tundra (27-Mar) : He is a former Packer. Drafted out of Northern Illinois. Didn't do much in GB.
dfosterf (26-Mar) : Despicable
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : Former NFL. I think Packers too
Zero2Cool (26-Mar) : NFL RB Leshon Johnson has been charged in a massive dog fighting operation, with the FBI seizing over 190 Pit Bulls
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Some real irony of a QB as short as Wilson playing for the Giants
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Giants country, let's be the tall beings of lore!
Mucky Tundra (26-Mar) : Russell Wilson signs with the Giants.
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : I was thinking email because I think it'll make folks keep it up todate lol
wpr (25-Mar) : I don't think there is a significant difference. I use a user name for many. Others email.
Martha Careful (25-Mar) : email
Zero2Cool (25-Mar) : would it be better to use EMAIL or USERNAME to log into a site?
wpr (25-Mar) : Thanks Zero
Zero2Cool (24-Mar) : New forum has the ability to Thank a post now.
beast (24-Mar) : And the only time they have won the Championship in an even year, was the first time they did, in 2006.
beast (24-Mar) : Since 2007, there have been 10 odd numbered years, Wisconsin Women have won the Championship in 7 of those 10 odd numbered years.
buckeyepackfan (24-Mar) : Congratulations Lady Badger Hockey Team. NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!!
Zero2Cool (23-Mar) : I don't think it's completed yet. it was just announced last month, right?
dhazer (23-Mar) : did netflix ever release the Packers documentary
Zero2Cool (21-Mar) : And it is glorious!
beast (21-Mar) : Unsigned FA QB Rodgers is supposedly in the Steelers building
Martha Careful (19-Mar) : But I don't own a car! So can I still use it in my apartment?
Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : btw, new site auto updates
Zero2Cool (19-Mar) : Woohoo!
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
Eagles
Recent Topics
2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

30-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

29-Mar / Random Babble / wpr

28-Mar / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / dfosterf

28-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

26-Mar / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

25-Mar / Random Babble / Martha Careful

24-Mar / Random Babble / packerfanoutwest

24-Mar / Random Babble / Zero2Cool

21-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

19-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.