zombieslayer
13 years ago

No, Zero and Zombie incredibly boneheaded, but because you are also bullheaded - I give up trying to educate you. If you think you live in a free country than that is all the proof I need to call you a Dumbass.

But remember - you're still my boy. We'll call you Fez.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



OK, it's SUPPOSED to be a free country. Better?

Love,

-Fez
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DakotaT
13 years ago

OK, it's SUPPOSED to be a free country. Better?

Love,

-Fez

Originally Posted by: zombieslayer 




You can't be Fez; you have to be Bob, the dumbass who gets all the undeserved hot snapper and is rich for no apparent good reason.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

No, Zero and Zombie incredibly boneheaded, but because you are also bullheaded - I give up trying to educate you. If you think you live in a free country than that is all the proof I need to call you a Dumbass.

But remember - you're still my boy. We'll call you Fez.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Name calling and failure to address a point that completely shot your theory out of the water. Interesting.


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MontanaBob
13 years ago
Hey, no one gets to be me except me. Bob...MontanaBob....What about Bob?.....Hey Bobber....
I have copyrights on that, so Fez has to change it to something else.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Name calling and failure to address a point that completely shot your theory out of the water. Interesting.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 




What point are you making "we live in a free country, everything goes?" Fucking assinine.

Talk about a broad swipe. I posed the question is being gay a learned behavior or is it nature? Let's answer that first, then we can go into all the dipshit tangents we normally do in our discussions. I've already given the reason why this is important. It's choice over something you can't control. If it is choice then it is a choice being made with certain consequences.

My official stance on this topic is that these people are being discriminated against and that we do not live in a free country (since Fez and Bob had to throw us that bone). But many of these people are choosing this path, while others are naturally gay.
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DakotaT
13 years ago

Hey, no one gets to be me except me. Bob...MontanaBob....What about Bob?.....Hey Bobber....
I have copyrights on that, so Fez has to change it to something else.

Originally Posted by: MontanaBob 




If you watch the 70's show, you might want to change your name. I'm not giving these guys compliments by all means. All I know is that I'm Red.
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Pack93z
13 years ago
Okay.. so what is the criteria for being born gay verses "learned" behavior?

Let's define what would qualify as "learned" behavior.. I will use some examples..


Would someone that experienced a traumatic experience as a child, thus altering their life choice qualify?

Or how about someone after some experimentation with the opposite sex finds their way to choosing the same sex instead?

How does self discovery or living under some sort of repression calculate in?

Is there some magical cutoff that should be used in a case by case basis? If so.. when they go apply for a marriage license how does when tell if they qualify or not?

Personally.. this is one of the issues that got me expelled from Sunday School as a teen.. there was another in class that was gay and the treatment of this person by the church was awful. Down right pathetic.. and they call themselves right and holy. (sorry different topic).

Just like most other things in life, people grow, change and discover themselves in this thing called life... so really, how does one answer that root question.. born or not born a certain way?

It isn't like sex, race or ethnic background.. it can't be proven to date by any physical markers.. so why even try and judge upon the subject.

Would it not be more fair and correct to allow them "free choice" over their life decisions if it doesn't harm another?
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

What point are you making "we live in a free country, everything goes?" Fucking assinine.

Talk about a broad swipe. I posed the question is being gay a learned behavior or is it nature? Let's answer that first, then we can go into all the dipshit tangents we normally do in our discussions. I've already given the reason why this is important. It's choice over something you can't control. If it is choice then it is a choice being made with certain consequences.

My official stance on this topic is that these people are being discriminated against and that we do not live in a free country (since Fez and Bob had to throw us that bone). But many of these people are choosing this path, while others are naturally gay.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



Dakota - Both. Or neither. I don't know. I don't interview every gay man I know and say "so, were you born gay or did you become gay because you had a magic moment with some cute guy?" Frankly, that's none of my business.

None of the government's business either. I think that's what Zero was getting at and I agree with Zero.

As for the hot snapper, I got game.

As for the money, I got a work ethic, focus, and a personality.

Neither came for free amigo. You can still call me Fez though. MontanaBob's got dibs on Bob.
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Zero2Cool
13 years ago

What point are you making "we live in a free country, everything goes?" Fucking assinine.

Talk about a broad swipe. I posed the question is being gay a learned behavior or is it nature? Let's answer that first, then we can go into all the dipshit tangents we normally do in our discussions. I've already given the reason why this is important. It's choice over something you can't control. If it is choice then it is a choice being made with certain consequences.

My official stance on this topic is that these people are being discriminated against and that we do not live in a free country (since Fez and Bob had to throw us that bone). But many of these people are choosing this path, while others are naturally gay.

Originally Posted by: DakotaT 



I'm not surprised you missed it. Anyhow, yes, we do live in a "free" country and should be able to marry whomever we choose, as Shawn stated, regardless of sex, race, etc ...

I also pointed out you are incorrect with your illogical statement that "a lot" of lesbians are as such because of abuse. If that's how you feel, then you're not asking if being gay is learned or something you're born with, you've already decided it's a result of events in ones life, thus, it's "learned".

And I'm saying, regardless of being homosexual being choice or something you're "born" with is not relevant in deciding what experiences a homosexual couple can experience versus that of a heterosexual couple. What if someone chooses a partner who has blonde hair, but the law prevents that marriage to occur? Sounds pretty ignorant doesnt it, just like disallowing homosexuals the right to marriage.

One issue I recall about this was something about health insurance. I'm not sure how it effects that or taxes, but I do remember it was said.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago

I'm not surprised you missed it. Anyhow, yes, we do live in a "free" country and should be able to marry whomever we choose, as Shawn stated, regardless of sex, race, etc ...

I also pointed out you are incorrect with your illogical statement that "a lot" of lesbians are as such because of abuse. If that's how you feel, then you're not asking if being gay is learned or something you're born with, you've already decided it's a result of events in ones life, thus, it's "learned".

And I'm saying, regardless of being homosexual being choice or something you're "born" with is not relevant in deciding what experiences a homosexual couple can experience versus that of a heterosexual couple. What if someone chooses a partner who has blonde hair, but the law prevents that marriage to occur? Sounds pretty ignorant doesnt it, just like disallowing homosexuals the right to marriage.

One issue I recall about this was something about health insurance. I'm not sure how it effects that or taxes, but I do remember it was said.

Originally Posted by: Zero2Cool 



Agree.

Just to answer your very last question, most companies in Northern California have a domestic partner option when it comes to insurance. I work in a pretty small company and I had that option. A company here better, if they want to attract good employees.

The nice thing about domestic partnerships here is anyone can use them - gay, straight, whatever.


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