BTW, the education thing really IS about you and any other parent or anybody who cares at all about impressionable kids being propagandized. I guess you have all girls, and lesbian crap isn't as vile as male homosexuality, but just the same, do you REALLY want your kids taught that it is just fine to do?
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
Why would someone who is okay with homosexuality have an issue with their children being told homosexuality is okay?
...the homosexuality is an abomination thing is... in virtually ALL major and minor religions and philosophies.
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
Do you know that for sure? Offhand, I know ancient Greek societies, particularly in Athens, promoted sexual relationships between older men and adolescents. There were evidently Roman emperors who took male lovers and concubines. Buddhism in Japan and China supported homosexual relationships within its monasteries. I'm not an expert on the history of all societies and religions and their various stances on homosexuality, far from it; but considering the above I'd be surprised if human history was as vehemently and conclusively against homosexuality as you suggest.
Regardless, many societies treated women as property. We don't hold to that viewpoint anymore. The majority have not always been right.
Anyway, as for YOUR take on "cherry-picking", THAT is a sword that cuts both ways. Yeah, as the Bible says, ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and let him that is without sin cast the first stone, etc., BUT, does it not occur to you that by choosing to ignore or downplay a lot of that Old Testament stuff - including the one and only thing singled out as an ABOMINATION, but choosing to make a big deal about others, you also are, by your own definition, cherry picking.
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
I don't subscribe to any of those books as the literal, un-erring, and divinely inspired word of god(s).
mi_keys wrote:
My above statement should have made the following abundantly clear: I don't draw any authority from the bible in any of my arguments. You do. Your point would only be valid if I were arguing for homosexual rights while also trying to argue, say, that disobedient children should be put to death based on the following verses:
18 “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and who, when they have chastened him, will not heed them, 19 then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city, to the gate of his city. 20 And they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ 21 Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall put away the evil from among you, and all Israel shall hear and fear.
Deuteronomy Chapter 21 wrote:
But I'm not. I'm not relying on the bible for any of my beliefs. And to be clear, I don't support the death penalty for unruly children. Before you try to make that argument.
BTW, where in the Bible does it say "no divorce"? Maybe it's there, I don't know, but to the best of my knowledge, that's purely a Catholic thing - post-Biblical.
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
Exhibit A on you not knowing what's in your own holy book:
Then He arose from there and came to the region of Judea by the other side of the Jordan. And multitudes gathered to Him again, and as He was accustomed, He taught them again.
2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?” testing Him.
3 And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?”
4 They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her.”
5 And Jesus answered and said to them, “Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6 But from the beginning of the creation, God ‘made them male and female.’🅰 7 ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 🅱9 Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
10 In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter. 11 So He said to them, “Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her. 12 And if a woman divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”
Mark Chapter 10 wrote:
To quote just one instance of divorce being outlawed in the bible.
As for the "right" of marriage, any marriage, normal or homosexual, I refer you to my reply to Dakota - it just ain't there - or can you dig it up and show it?
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
OK, point taken, but ......... as I'm sure you know, if you think about it, there is a LOT more to marriage in terms of government than mere approval - affirmative aspects: tax law, community property and inheritance, just to name a few. You want to apply all of that to homosexuals the same as to normal married people? OK, then how about polygamy? A much stronger case can be made for THAT in terms of normalcy, morality, and religion than for homosexuality. And if abnormal and religiously abominable is deemed to be acceptable, then how about the guy who wants to marry his favorite sheep - or maybe the whole flock? Where do you draw the line?
Originally Posted by: texaspackerbacker
In the above post from this thread, are you not implying homosexual couples should not be allowed to marry and have access to the same legal protections within marriage? If not, I've misunderstood your intent; but it does sound awfully like you feel that way.
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