Jolly - maybe he's not done yet!

DakotaT
Select Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/7531687.html

Apparently he's not prison worthy yet! Would we ever be desperate enough to let him back on the team? We gave Koren Robinson his last chance, even when the scumbag Vikings had enough.

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coltonja
Member

13 years ago

"DakotaT" wrote:

I don't care how bad we need a DE I don't want Jolly back. We have great chemistry, we won without him, and he is a huge distraction/problem causer.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

13 years ago

For the next five years, he also can not go to clubs or bars, drink alcohol or associate with several people, including his half-brother and two cousins, who were connected to the drug allegations.

It will be interesting to see if he can abide by those very reasonable conditions. I have my doubts, but I have read some pretty incredible redemption stories.

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

If he's innocent of the latest charge/arrest, I'd be okay with the Packers giving him a go and if he contributes, great.

I'd rather put eggs in the Jolly basket over the Harrell basket. I'm not saying it has to be ONE or the other...

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/21/johnny-jolly-pleads-guilty-to-drug-charge/

Suspended Packers defensive lineman Johnny Jolly, who has been in jail since he was arrested on drug charges last month, pleaded guilty to narcotics charges today and was placed on probation for the next five years.

The Houston Chronicle reports that Jolly will start his probation with 90 days in a drug treatment center.

Jollys guilty plea is to a felony charge stemming from a 2008 arrest. As part of his plea deal, his charge from last month was dismissed. Both arrests were related to illegal possession of codeine.

Texas District Judge Denise Bradley put Jolly on deferred adjudication, which means the conviction will be erased from his record if he successfully completes his probation. But if his probation is revoked, Jolly could get up to 20 years in prison.

Jolly was suspended for the entire 2010 season. His attorney said he does not know how todays guilty plea will affect Jollys status with the NFL.

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DakotaT
Select Member Topic Starter

13 years ago

Zero, how do you extract innocence from a plea bargain?

get_louder_at_lambeau
Registered

13 years ago

Wow. Good lawyers?

The Commish still has Jolly on an indefinite suspension. I'm sure it will continue. He doesn't have to give the benefit of the doubt or consider to legal plea agreements with someone who is not a first time offender.

Jolly MUST be an addict. Getting busted for the same drug when on probation and an NFL suspension is beyond dumb- it's irrational addictive behavior. He needs to get some help, or he won't be any good to anyone, suspension or not.

http://packersnews.net

bozz_2006
Registered

13 years ago

Who knows if he's even willing to let this thing play out. Does anybody think he won't get at least two years suspension for this one? He got an indefinite suspension for the last one. And remember he hasn't even been reinstated for his last sizzurp issue. I dunno man, the courts went easy on him again, but I don't see Goodell giving him the same kid-gloves treatment.

get_louder_at_lambeau
Registered

13 years ago

Does anybody think he won't get at least two years suspension for this one?

"bozz_2006" wrote:

That would be the longest suspension in recent NFL history, if I'm not mistaken.

http://packersnews.net

Zero2Cool
Elite Member

13 years ago

#10

Zero, how do you extract innocence from a plea bargain?

"DakotaT" wrote:

I don't. I made that comment PRIOR to reading any article about it. I only seen charges dropped. I was under the assumption perhaps they were false charges.

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