macbob
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14 years ago
Here's a little love for the Maddenite crowd from a Miami Dolphins blog... ::wink:

http://phinphanatic.com/2011/02/24/analysis-green-bay-offense-is-an-innovation/ 

One way or another, depending on how you look at it, the Packer offense is either the oldest of its kind in design, or an innovation. I contend the latter and here is why: with a spread offense and 4-5 wide receivers each of whom can play at any of the wr spots, mind you this offense has real firepower that cannot be stopped by a conventional defense.

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. And immediate examples are in the playoff games and the Superbowl recently won over the Steelers. Note that none of the opponents were able to even slow down the Packer offense, much less to hold them to a low-score or the like. In fact, but for the 4 or so drops by Packer receivers during the game, Green Bay would have even won the game by a much more significant margin; say more like 21 points. And you know that its true.
Not to make light of the Steeler defense. They played exceedingly well and are probably the best defense in the league; certainly better than the NY Jets and I believe better than the Green Bay defense also. The Steelers hit, banged and blitzed their way into the backfield of the Packers but just could not stop the production. I think Pittsburgh was amazing in that they stayed close and put some real hit on Aaron Rodgers and (lets face it) basically did succeed in shutting down the Packer running game.

But my point is, to what end?

Once the running game was stopped, the Packers still had the awesome firepower of their passing game at hand. And it is a very, very simple structure, actually. Receivers running easy patterns and just overloading the zones. The Steelers played man-coverage with the main receivers and supplemented with zone in the deep back sections but they forced Green Bay to be quick with numerous quick, disguised blitz packages that Mr. Rodgers neighborhood had probably not seen all year long. And still, the Packers kept on moving the ball.

But in fact, take a closer look: the Packers tended to lose yards or have very small gains on most downs. It was that 3rd down in each series; usually just connecting on one pass out of 2-3 attempts that not only kept them alive but gave them their win. They produced most of their yardage on big-yardage plays and they did so even under a heavy pass rush which did not allow Aaron Rodgers more than 2 seconds (at times) to get rid of the football.

Bottom line is this: which defense in the league right now can stop that Green Bay passing attack?

Answer: None. This offense will require that a whole new type of defense be created that can cover 4 or 5 good receivers and give a strong pass rush. That defense will need real cover corners and safeties; and lots of them. Think Miami can stop the full Green Bay attack? Well, the team that can at least slow that offense will be in the Super Bowl next year (provided the CBA gets worked-out and we get to enjoy a season). And you can pretty much take that to the bank.

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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I thought the Packers had something like 5 yards a carry when they ran? How is that stopping the run?
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Greg C.
14 years ago

I thought the Packers had something like 5 yards a carry when they ran? How is that stopping the run?

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Yeah, Starks had 4.7 yards per carry. They only ran the ball 11 times, mostly in the first half, because they knew they could do better throwing the ball on almost every play.

I love the Packer offense, but I don't think it's unstoppable, as this guy claims. The Bears held the Packer offense to 14 points in the playoffs.
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Kingkoopa
14 years ago

I thought the Packers had something like 5 yards a carry when they ran? How is that stopping the run?

"Greg C." wrote:




I love the Packer offense, but I don't think it's unstoppable, as this guy claims. The Bears held the Packer offense to 14 points in the playoffs.

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It's certainly true that the Packers offense isn't unstoppable, but when the Packers are playing well they are extremely potent against almost every team except the Bears. I don't get it. The Bears are the one team that seems to be able to slow down Green Bay's offense consistently. I really hope MM and the offensive coaching staff takes a long look at this during the off season to try and counter what Lovie seems to do to us.
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macbob
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14 years ago

I thought the Packers had something like 5 yards a carry when they ran? How is that stopping the run?

"Greg C." wrote:



Yeah, Starks had 4.7 yards per carry. They only ran the ball 11 times, mostly in the first half, because they knew they could do better throwing the ball on almost every play.

I love the Packer offense, but I don't think it's unstoppable, as this guy claims. The Bears held the Packer offense to 14 points in the playoffs.

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And the Steelers held it to 24. 7 of the pts came from the D. Man, it's good to be the SB champs!
Nonstopdrivel
14 years ago
I think it's a stretch to say the Steelers' defense held the Packers' offense to 24 points. It's far more accurate to say the Packers' receivers held the Packers' offense to 24 points.
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Zero2Cool
14 years ago
24 points is nearly 10 more than they had given up all year and I'd be comfortable saying the Packers could have had another 7 points if they had kept their hands on the ball. Specifically I think Jordy Nelson would have had a TD.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
And the week 17 Bears game would also have been a blow out without the drops. The Bears didn't stop us, the drops did.

The Packers were never really beaten this year. They lost some games, but nobody beat them.

We had 3 WRs with over 5% drops. That is too many. Several of those drops were probable TDs in games we lost by less than 5. If we work on the drops next year and have a running game the whole year, we should be pretty unstoppable.

That is even before adding Fin and Grant to the mix.
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14 years ago
Yet the Dolphins won during the regular season match up.

There still is some old school thought that 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. Air Coryell never won a championship.

I would like to see the O-line get better at run blocking and a big fact RB that can hit the hole like a Mack Truck.
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Greg C.
14 years ago

There still is some old school thought that 3 things can happen when you throw the ball and 2 of them are bad. Air Coryell never won a championship.

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When you run the ball, you can fumble or get tackled for no gain. So there's your two out of three for running plays. And Air Coryell never won a championship because their defense was terrible. The Colts and now the Packers have won championships with pass-oriented attacks.
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