djcubez
14 years ago
I figured I'd copy my post from the other thread into this one:

Here's a list of our free agents from earlier this season:

A.J. Hawk**      LB      26      4      $4,123,750
Cullen Jenkins**     DE     29     6     3,200,000
Tyrone Williams**     CB     27     3     3,043,000
Daryn Colledge**     G     28     4     1,759,000
Jason Spitz     C-G     27     4     1,759,000
Atari Bigby     S     28     4     1,699,500
Will Blackmon     S     25     4     1,176,000
John Kuhn     FB     27     4     1,176,000
Mason Crosby     K     25     3     1,101,000
James Jones     WR     26     3     1,101,000
Charlie Peprah     S     27     4     630,000
Allen Barbre     T-G     26     3     550,000
Desmond Bishop     LB     26     3     550,000
Korey Hall**     FB     27     3     550,000
Brandon Jackson     RB     24     3     550,000

It's funny to me that he put "Tyrone" instead of "Tramon" Williams. This list is lacking Sam Shields and a few other mid-season acquisitions.

I've been thinking about the impending free agents almost all of yesterday because I really want to keep a lot of players.

The WR situation is going to be interesting. I've heard conflicting reports about Driver retiring--the guy said he wanted to play until he's 40 but now that he's won a Super Bowl guys like Peter King are saying he might call it a career. Now if we lose Driver were left with only Jennings and Jordy on our roster with Swain and Jones as FA's (although Swain is an exclusive-rights FA).

In my opinion, regardless of what happens to Driver, we keep Jones unless he doesn't want to stay. Jones dropped his way out of a big contract on the free agent market. If he had caught those easy touchdowns (he had like 4-5 this year at the least) he may have found it easy to bolt to another team for the big bucks. But I don't think there are many teams willing to pay for his inconsistency. Because of that I think we'll be able to offer Jones around what he'd get on the FA market so unless Jones wants to leave or we don't want him anymore I think we keep him.

Swain is a different story. The guy is great for our special teams and has been fifth on the depth chart. He won't break the bank so we'll probably keep him around to battle it out in training camp another year.

I also don't understand all the anti-Jackson sentiment on the board. If Grant comes back healthy we have a legitimate tandem with him in Starks. Jackson won't command a lot of money on the open market because his best assets are as a third-down back. In our offense, especially with how pass-happy we've been, a reliable third-down back is almost as important as a straight running back. Jackson knows the offense, has a knack for picking up the blitz and is extremely efficient on screens and underneath passing routes. I don't know why we wouldn't keep him, especially because not a lot of teams will want to pay for him. Grant, Starks, and Jackson sounds like a great depth chart at RB.

However, if we keep three RB's one of our FB's has got to go. What's interesting is that Kuhn and Hall's contracts are both up but Johnson's isn't. If I were to guess a FB that would be cut it would probably be Johnson, even though I love the guy. He just doesn't fit our offense very well--he'd be amazing in a power running scheme but we rarely utilize that if at all in our system. Plus, Kuhn's versatility and Hall's abilities on special teams will definitely factor in here. I count on only having two FB's on the roster this season.

The mention of locking up Tramon Williams was huge but they failed to mention what happened with Bishop. Now that Desmond is here to stay we have an interesting situation on our hands. Barnett has been on IR for the majority of the last two seasons. Two of our other ILB's just signed 4-year deals in the last two years (Chillar and Bishop). Hawk's salary jumps from 3.5 million to 10 million this season and with the leadership he's shown I can't see how he doesn't get his deal restructured. So what does this mean for Barnett? Is he going to get cut? Traded? Do we try switching one of our ILB's to the outside? This is by far the most interesting contract situation in my mind.

Jenkins is the toughest nut to crack here. He's the only free agent we have that will have a steep asking price. Add that to the fact that he's just turning 30 and you have a guy that's going to be getting the last contract of his career. He wants that financial stability. I would love to keep him--whenever him on Matthews are on the field at the same time it's hard not to notice how much more effective our pass rush is--but I just don't know if it's in the cards. If we keep Green we'll have Neal, Green, Raji, Pickett, Wilson and Wynn on the d-line. It will be much weaker without Jenkins and I trust that Ted Thompson will do everything in his power to get a deal done but I just don't see Ted Thompson matching Jenkins probable asking price.

Our guard situation is also a bit interesting. Spitz and Colledge are both up for free agency and our line isn't getting any stronger or younger. Because of Spitz' injuries I can see him getting a training camp contract if he wants to compete for the job again this summer. For Colledge it's a bit tougher. He seemed a bit miffed when we made him sign his tender last year so I think he may not even want to stay here. Offensive lineman are always a hot commodity so I expect someone to overpay for Colledge if he gets to free agency. I really don't see us keeping him.

And what about Atari? Well, we've had Collins and Peprah play solidly this last year (Peprah is a free agent too) and we'll be getting Morgan Burnett and Anthony Smith back from injury. Bigby has also struggled with injuries in the past and, like Colledge, he was forced to sign his tender last year. I feel we'll let him explore the market and sign with another team if he chooses too. I don't think we'll be actively trying to keep him but if he falls back into another Green Bay training camp I wouldn't be surprised.

Last but not least Aaron Rodgers guitar partner and long snapper extraordinaire Brett Goode will probably be re-signed.
all_about_da_packers
14 years ago
I agree with pretty much what you wrote there dj. An excellent analysis.

What is interesting to me is that I noticed recently Mayock saying that as many as 9 d-linemen could go in round 1; that seems to be a deep group this year. We also have Jolly, who is pretty decent also. We also have Mike Neal, who seems to have the skills to do what Cullen does.

I wonder how much these two things factor into Ted's thinking on whether to bring Jenkins back or not. Granted Jolly's situation in an unknown, but I have to admit a D-line rotation of Pickett / Raji / Jenkins / Jolly / Neal is mouth watering.

As for Bigby, what is interesting is that when he was healthy, he regularly split snaps at SS with Peprah during games. Which is odd because Peprah was adequate in replacement of Burnett. I'm not sure why they did that, especially given Atari has had problems staying healthy the past season. So it makes me wonder if they like Atari quite a bit, or whether they just were not sold completely on Peprah. Either way, with Martin and Burnett returning, it should be interesting to see how the safety depth chart unfolds. One person who I would love to see brought back is Will Blackmon - Bedard mentioned before the season that were it not for Blackmon's injury the previous year, he had a legit shot at the SS spot because of his smarts and athletic ability. I admit, I'd be very intrigued to see how Blackmon would do - plus he would give us a decent PR / KR option.
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porky88
14 years ago
I guess a quick rundown of what I think will happen.

I think they will franchise Cullen Jenkins, so they have an extended period to get a deal done. I would offer him a three or four year deal. Anything higher seems unlikely.

I believe someone will overpay because of James Jones' potential and the Packers will let him walk.

I suspect Mason Crosby returns.

I think Daryn Colledge bolts in free agency and the Pack move T.J. Lang to left guard or target a late-round interior lineman like Mike Pouncey.

John Kuhn will definitely be back and I have a hunch Brandon Jackson returns as well, though someone like Seattle could overpay for him.

Charlie Peprah and Atari Bigby are as good as gone. Morgan Burnett is going to start next year. Also, someone will offer Peprah a starting role.

Jason Spitz will leave so he can start somewhere. He is not a bad center.

I kind of think both A.J. Hawk and Nick Barnett will be back. They may look to move Barnett, but there aren't going to be any trades because of the CBA. In summer, the Pack may just go with both because of potential injuries and the sub packages they use.
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14 years ago

Cullen Jenkins. keep
James Jones, keep
Mason Crosby, keep
Daryn Colledge. keep
John Kuhn, keep
Brandon Jackson, keep
Charlie Peprah. keep
Atari Bigby gone
Jason Spitz. keep
A.J. Hawk restructure contract and keep
Nick Barnett gone

"Packers_Finland" wrote:



You're certainly not lacking in the optimism department.

"wpr" wrote:



yep. I am maxing out my wish list. In reality porky88 is going to be closer to reality. But Hey GB just won the SB and I am living the dream!
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millertime
14 years ago

This list is lacking Sam Shields and a few other mid-season acquisitions.

"djcubez" wrote:



Don't most UDFAs and mid-season guys sign two year contracts?

EDIT: Found this nugget on Shields from rotoworld.

4/26/2010: Signed a three-year, $1.223 million contract. The deal included a $7,500 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: Restricted Free Agent
musccy
14 years ago
As for James Jones, his agent probably went grey after the Chicago MNF game, then bald after Philly and the SB. Those drops/fumbles probably cost him millions.
beast
14 years ago

Franchise tag applied to Jenkins and the next priority is Jones.

"Pack93z" wrote:



I think I've read the NFL has asked teams to not use the tags... because they don't have the FA details worked out yet.

But I think bring back Jenkins, Colledge and Jones are a must. Bringing everyone back would be nice. For the right price of course.
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millertime
14 years ago

Franchise tag applied to Jenkins and the next priority is Jones.

"beast" wrote:



I think I've read the NFL has asked teams to not use the tags... because they don't have the FA details worked out yet.

But I think bring back Jenkins, Colledge and Jones are a must. Bringing everyone back would be nice. For the right price of course.

"Pack93z" wrote:



I'm not sure about Colledge. He played well in the playoffs. But when are we going to give TJ Lang some burn? Do you think McCarthy/Thompson see him as a guard or a tackle?

Also, I think Peprah should be brought back. He played solid and should compete with Burnett for the other safety spot next to Collins.
hardrocker950
14 years ago

Cullen Jenkins. keep
James Jones, keep
Mason Crosby, keep
Daryn Colledge. keep
John Kuhn, keep
Brandon Jackson, keep
Charlie Peprah. keep
Atari Bigby gone
Jason Spitz. keep
A.J. Hawk restructure contract and keep
Nick Barnett gone

"wpr" wrote:



Seems like most of us agree for the most part (me included.) With little doubt in my mind, I think Bigby will be gone - can't pay a guy those kind of numbers to sit on the sideline. As for Barnett, I like the guy but once again - too expensive to be on IR all the time.

I especially would like to see Kuhn, Hawk, and Crosby to stay. Kuhn has shown his abilities which for some time have been less than known to most outside of Packer Nation, and many within. Hawk is solid and makes the plays when he needs to. As for Crosby - we have seen his ups and downs, but he is generally solid inside the 40 and above average skills with the onside.

As for the others I would like to keep those not mentioned, but I think that will come down to the cash factor. Again, I like all these players but some are just not realistic to keep given the nature of pro football.
Greg C.
14 years ago

As for James Jones, his agent probably went grey after the Chicago MNF game, then bald after Philly and the SB. Those drops/fumbles probably cost him millions.

"musccy" wrote:



I don't think there's a lot of shame for a WR having the ball punched out on a blindside hit by Brian Urlacher. But yes, the drops against Philly and Pittsburgh (as well as some regular season opponents) had to be pretty damaging to his value.
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