Pack93z
13 years ago

I find the idea of "Executive privilege," for example, very troublesome.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Agreed.. and on this very board have illustrated protest to when I see it being done.. intentionally or unintentionally. Case in point the repetitive calling out posters for their grammar and slang style, all the while other posters are given a free pass on their unique styles of writing.

Why should one be subjected to repetitive policing and the others given a free pass?

I think in the end.. the ideals differences of Wade to Rourke to Zombie to me are not that different.. but at times we can't get over the facts that they are not completely mirrored and we make more to the differences than are really there.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
If we agreed on everything, we wouldn't have that much to talk about, would we? πŸ˜‰
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4PackGirl
13 years ago
transparency in our gov't i wholeheartedly agree with. transparency that gets someone killed or puts them in grave danger - i don't agree with. while i've been quite vocal on my feelings about police, one thing i haven't discussed is our judicial system as a whole. i will never understand the power that judges have. they can make or break people in the blink of an eye or the striking of the gavel.

the ex & i had agreed in mediation to 'supervised visitation' with his parents as the 'supervisors' because he drove the boys around on a suspended license. his attorney got involved & once my ex realized he'd have to PAY to have the supervision changed when/if he ever moves out of his parents house, suddenly he didn't want it.

we go in front of the judge & he tells my attorney "i NEVER impose supervised visitation". wtf? seriously? the judge wouldn't even HEAR the reasoning behind it which means it could have been because my kids were being abused, physically or sexually & his answer was THAT? insane!

in the end, it really didn't matter a whole lot because now that he lives with his parents, they won't let him drive & visitation has been settled & all is good for now but i was completely flabbergasted by that kind of statement.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago

'Sex by Surprise' at Heart of Assange Criminal Probe
 
Updated: 4 days 11 hours ago

Dana Kennedy
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(Dec. 2) -- The international manhunt for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange in a sex-crime investigation in Sweden apparently stems from a condom malfunction.

Assange's London attorney, Mark Stephens, told AOL News today that Swedish prosecutors told him that Assange is wanted not for allegations of rape, as previously reported, but for something called "sex by surprise," which he said involves a fine of 5,000 kronor or about $715.

Assange is the subject of an international manhunt, as a result of Interpol issuing a "red notice," a warrant indicating the person should be arrested with a view to extradition.

'Sex by Surprise' at heart of Swedish criminal case against Julian Assange
Julian Assange, founder of the WikiLeaks website, is wanted in a sex-crime investigation in Sweden.

[img_r]http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/6/9/696671/1291317089671.JPEG[/img_r]"We don't even know what 'sex by surprise' even means, and they haven't told us," Stephens said, just hours after Sweden's Supreme Court rejected Assange's bid to prevent an arrest order from being issued against him on allegations of sex crimes.

"Whatever 'sex by surprise' is, it's only a offense in Sweden -- not in the U.K. or the U.S. or even Ibiza," Stephens said. "I feel as if I'm in a surreal Swedish movie being threatened by bizarre trolls. The prosecutor has not asked to see Julian, never asked to interview him, and he hasn't been charged with anything. He's been told he's wanted for questioning, but he doesn't know the nature of the allegations against him."

The strange tale of Assange's brief flings with two Swedish women during a three-day period in mid-August -- and decisions by three different prosecutors to first dismiss rape allegations made by the women and then re-open the case -- has more twists, turns and conspiracy theories than any of Stieg Larsson's best-sellers.

True, one of Assange's accusers sounds tailor-made for those who think Assange is being set up in Sweden by dark CIA-backed operatives who want him smeared or silenced for his document dumping with WikiLeaks. She's a 31-year-old blond academic and member of the Social Democratic Party who's known for her radical feminist views, once wrote a treatise on how to take revenge against men and was once thrown out of Cuba for subversive activities.

But others say Assange, who denies any wrongdoing and says the sex was consensual, may have just run afoul of Sweden's unusual rape laws, which are considered pro-feminist because of the consideration given issues of consent when it comes to sexual activity -- including even the issue of whether a condom was used.

In fact, the current prosecutor, Marianne Ny, who re-opened the case against Assange, has been active in the proposed reforms of Swedish rape laws that would, if passed, involve an investigation of whether an imbalance in power between two people could void one person's insistence that the sex was consensual.

Swedish tabloids and the country's blogosphere have been rife since August with stories and speculation about Assange's accusers, the flip-flopping prosecutors and just what, if any, crime was committed by Assange during sex with the two women.

"He's innocent, that I can tell you," Bjorn Hurtig, Assange's Stockholm-based lawyer, told AOL News today. Hurtig later issued a statement saying the international arrest warrant for Assange is based on "exaggerated grounds."

Assange arrived in Sweden on Aug. 11 to speak at a weekend seminar sponsored by the Social Democratic Party and arranged to stay at a Stockholm apartment belonging to the event organizer, a member of the branch of the party who would become one of Assange's two accusers.

According to a police report obtained by the Daily Mail in August, she and Assange had sex, and at some point the condom broke. While she was apparently not happy about the condom breaking, the two were seen the next day at the seminar, and nothing appeared amiss.

Another woman at the seminar, a 27-year-old art photographer, said in her police statement that she'd come to hear Assange's lecture because of her fascination with him and his work. She can be seen in video footage on the Internet sitting in the front row during Assange's lecture, wearing a pink sweater and snapping pictures of him.

According to the police report, the woman managed to get an invitation to go out for lunch with Assange and his entourage after the seminar. They spent time together before he went back to stay at the event organizer's apartment.

Two days later, on Aug. 16, they reconnected by phone and the woman invited him to her apartment, more than 40 miles outside Stockholm. She paid for the ticket since Assange apparently had no cash and doesn't like to use credit cards because they could be traced.

She complained in her police statement that during the train ride to her hometown, "he paid more attention to his computer rather than me." She also said that by the time they arrived at her apartment, "the passion and excitement seemed to have disappeared."

The woman and Assange also reportedly had sex. According to the Daily Mail account, Assange did not use a condom at least one time during their sexual activity. The New York Times today quoted accounts given by the women to police and friends as saying Assange "did not comply with her appeals to stop when (the condom) was no longer in use."

According to the Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet, the photographer contacted the other woman two days after her assignation with Assange, and the two apparently had a conversation in which it became clear they had both had sex with Assange. The photographer was worried about having had unprotected sex and decided she wanted to go to the police.

The other woman accompanied her to the police station on Aug. 20 just to support her but then told the investigating officer on duty that she, too, had had sex with Assange, Aftonbladet reported.

Based on what was said to police, the on-call prosecutor, Marie Kjellstrand, decided to issue an arrest warrant on charges of rape and molestation, and the next day the story hit the Swedish paper Expressen and newspapers all over the world.

Kjellstrand's decision was overruled the following day by a higher-level prosecutor, Eva Finne, who withdrew the arrest warrant and said she did not see any evidence for rape allegations.

Then, on Sept. 1, a third prosecutor, Ny, re-opened the rape investigation, implying that she had new information in the case.

On Nov. 18, Swedish judicial officials approved a prosecutorial request that Assange be detained for questioning for alleged sex crimes, and on Nov. 30 Interpol issued a "red notice" against Assange for alleged sex crimes in Sweden. Despite what has happened, the woman who organized the event and had Assange stay at her apartment told Aftonbladet that she never intended that Assange be charged with rape.

"It is quite wrong that we were afraid of him. He is not violent, and I do not feel threatened by him," she told the newspaper in an interview that did not identify her by name. "The responsibility for what happened to me and the other girl lies with a man who had attitude problems with women."

When the second accuser was reached on her mobile phone today by AOL News, she said simply, "I have nothing to say on the matter."

Stephens, Assange's lawyer, said that even though British police know Assange's whereabouts -- reportedly in southeastern England -- they have not yet arrested him because of the inadequacy of the arrest warrants issued by Sweden.

"The Swedes couldn't even produce another warrant today that was valid," Stephens told AOL News. "The police here sent it back."



I swear, radical feminists are more prudish and conservative than radical fundamentalist Christians. Do they ever have any fun? Why do they even bother having sex?

I've never had a condom break on me. How does one know when it's broken? Why would someone have sex with a vagina so dry it would risk breaking the condom anyway?
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
NSD - please split the topic. I'd love to respond, but can't without veering way off course of the original topic.
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Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
I'm not a mod. Only Kevin can split topics.
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zombieslayer
13 years ago
You could start a new topic with that rant. But I'd suggest the back alley as I may have trouble not saying profanities.
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Porforis
13 years ago

The woman and Assange also reportedly had sex. According to the Daily Mail account, Assange did not use a condom at least one time during their sexual activity. The New York Times today quoted accounts given by the women to police and friends as saying Assange "did not comply with her appeals to stop when (the condom) was no longer in use."



Glad the most important part is buried in the bottom of the article. As far as I'm concerned, this is the only thing that should be considered illegal. I consider it journalistically disingenuous that this article is shouting and screaming about "charges" that will at best result in a fine for 7/8 of the total word count, and then gives ONE SENTENCE near but not at the end about an accusation of rape.
Nonstopdrivel
13 years ago
The second article also points out that at least one of the women had no interest in having rape charges preferred against him.
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Porforis
13 years ago

The second article also points out that at least one of the women had no interest in having rape charges preferred against him.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Was that the woman claiming rape or not?
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