High and Tight !!· Page 2

Yerko
Senior Member

14 years ago

Wow, if the Bears keep up their unfortunate winning ways, the January 2nd game is going to be crazy...

From 3rd position to 7th just like that...

Pack93z
Select Member

14 years ago

#12

If I'm reading the tie breaker correctly on nfl.com I have a correction.

The Eagles are actually leading their division, which makes us seventh behind NYG and NO as both have better conference records. Within the division it goes head-to-head, division record, common games, and then conference. Philly are 2-1 in common games (Indy, Detroit, and Tennessee) whereas New York are 1-2.

"mi_keys" wrote:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/don_banks/11/16/nfl-playoff-picture/index.html?eref=sihp

NFC playoff seeds

1. Atlanta (7-2)
2. Philadelphia (6-3)
3. Chicago (6-3)
4. Seattle (5-4)
5. New York Giants (6-3)
6. New Orleans (6-3)

Out of the money: Green Bay (6-3) and Tampa Bay (6-3) are the only NFC teams with winning records that would miss the playoffs today. But keep in mind that St. Louis (4-5) and San Francisco (3-6) are very much still in the hunt in the NFC West. (Sorry, I can't take 3-6 Arizona seriously). For the record, four of the six teams in the NFC field would be new to the postseason this year (Atlanta, Chicago, Seattle and the Giants).

Tiebreakers: There are plenty of tiebreaker permutations that will be changed by further matchups, but the important ones to keep track of in the NFC at the moment are:

-- Philadelphia beats the Giants out for the NFC East based on their 2-1 record against common opponents (New York is 1-2 in that department).

-- Chicago wins the NFC North because it beat Green Bay head-to-head.

-- The Giants get the No. 5 seed based on their superior conference record (5-1), compared to New Orleans (5-2), Green Bay (4-2) and Tampa Bay (4-2).

-- New Orleans beats out Tampa Bay for a wild-card berth because the Saints defeated the Bucs head-to-head, and the Saints have the edge over Green Bay for the sixth seed because of their 5-2 conference record is better than Green Bay's 4-2.

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Zero2Cool
Elite Member

14 years ago

#13

I don't like Banks version.

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#14

Wow, if the Bears keep up their unfortunate winning ways, the January 2nd game is going to be crazy...

From 3rd position to 7th just like that...

"G-Force" wrote:

da Bears lose at least 4 more games before the season ends.

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CaliforniaCheez
Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#15

Again with divisional teams having 14 of 16 games in common there is no need to add the redundant phrase, minimum 4 games when breaking ties within a division. Minimum 4 games is used everywhere else.

This is an extremely rare situation that would only occur in a shortened season (example being a player's strike).

This exception to a rule that will never happen during a full season will incorporated into future calculations of division tiebreakers.

It is difficult to believe that if this were a strike shortened season that one Mason Crosby missed field goal in Washington is the difference between Home Field advantage throughout the playoffs and missing the playoffs.

Hope the Eagles beat the Giants this weekend. Then both will have 2 conference losses.

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mi_keys
Senior Member

14 years ago

#16

+1 to OP.
+1 to mi_keys.

I think keeping the details of GDP calculation straight is easier than applying the rules for NFL playoff tiebreakers.

"CaliforniaCheez" wrote:

I try to stay on top of it because it is confusing.
The NFL does not publish all their rules.
I believe the NFL is consistent with their definition of common games (a minimum of 4). Why would there be a different definition of common games within a division when division rivals have 14 common games over the course of a season?

By the way this little gem will last only a few days because the Giants play at the Eagles Head to Head this weekend.

The Packers are okay now. But you see how the loss to the Redskins really hurt them. Had Crosby made that field goal they would be #1 seed in the NFC with a better Conference record than the Falcons.

That is why I titled the thread high and tight.
Right now it is a close race.

"Wade" wrote:

It certainly is a tight race. Two teams "eliminated" right now with 6-3 records, 1 game behind the NFC leading Falcons.

As for publishing all their rules as far as I know they do. They are right here:
http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures

It's a pretty extensive list and I can't see what rules they haven't included. The reason you mentioned that division teams play 14 of 16 games makes the 4 game minimum requirement for non-division teams unnecessary. Who know what they would do in a strike shortened year. That said, it is being used now in the interim because there is no mention of a minimum of four games.

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wpr
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#17

This week GB wins and Bears lose and it won't matter. :thumbleft:

istanbulpacker
Registered

14 years ago

#18

I don't like Banks version.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:

The rest of the article wasn't quoted. Here it is below.

Team most likely to fade: Chicago -- The Bears have got miles and miles to go before they have anything to truly celebrate this season. Five of Chicago's final seven games are against winning teams, including trips to Miami and Green Bay, and there are tough home games looming against Philadelphia, New England and the Jets.

Team most likely to surge: Green Bay -- The Packers' three-game winning streak means the surge has already begun. Green Bay's Dom Capers-coordinated defense is becoming a factor again, and only trips to Atlanta and New England look like games that might be beyond the Packers' reach in the final seven weeks.

"Don Banks" wrote:

After reading this, I'm sure you won't have an issue with Banksy's version.

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Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member

14 years ago

#19

Can anyone confirm that this is true? It sounds questionable to me.

Falcon -- the "lead" of the Bears is meaningless unless they sweep the Packers this year. If the Pack win that game by more than 3, they can actually go into the final week with 1 more loss than the Bears and STILL win the division. (That's how it works for those Bear fans patting themselves on the back for the win in week 3.) I fully agree that the game in Atlanta will show just how far the Pack has come this season, but certainly not a "must win" game by any calculation. However, if the Falcons lose, not only will the Pack show their greatness, but Atlanta will no longer be the top seed in the NFC. Much more at stake for the dirty birds.

gbguy20
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#20

Can anyone confirm that this is true? It sounds questionable to me.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

seems legit to me. it basically says that if we end the season tied but we beat them by more than 3 points, then we take the division. unless that isn't the part you were questioning.

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Zero2Cool (2h) : We'd have same Division and Conference records. Strength of schedule we edge them

Zero2Cool (2h) : I just checked. What tie breaker?

bboystyle (2h) : yes its possible but unlikely. If we do get the 5th, we face the NFCS winner

Zero2Cool (2h) : Ahh, ok.

bboystyle (2h) : yes due to tie breaker

Zero2Cool (2h) : I mean, unlikely, yes, but mathematically, 5th is possible by what I'm reading.

Zero2Cool (2h) : If Vikings lose out, Packers win out, Packers get 5th, right?

bboystyle (2h) : Minny isnt going to lose out so 5th seed is out of the equation. We are playing for the 6th or 7th seed which makes no difference

Mucky Tundra (3h) : beast, the ad revenue goes to the broadcast company but they gotta pay to air the game on their channel/network

beast (3h) : If we win tonight the game is still relative in terms of 5th, 6th or 7th seed... win and it's 5th or 6th, lose and it's 6th or 7th

beast (3h) : Mucky, I thought the ad revenue went to the broadcasting companies or the NFL, at least not directly

Zero2Cool (3h) : I think the revenue share is moot, isn't it? That's the CBA an Salary Cap handling that.

bboystyle (4h) : i mean game becomes irrelevant if we win tonight. Just a game where we are trying to play spoilers to Vikings chance at the #1 seed

Mucky Tundra (4h) : beast, I would guess ad revenue from more eyes watching tv

Zero2Cool (4h) : I would think it would hurt the home team because people would have to cancel last minute maybe? i dunno

beast (4h) : I agree that it's BS for fans planning on going to the game. But how does it bring in more money? I'm guessing indirectly?

packerfanoutwest (4h) : bs on flexing the game....they do it for the $$league$$, not the hometown fans

Zero2Cool (5h) : I see what you did there Mucky

Zero2Cool (5h) : dammit. 3:25pm

Zero2Cool (5h) : Packers Vikings flexed to 3:35pm

Mucky Tundra (5h) : Upon receiving the news about Luke Musgrave, I immediately fell to the ground

Mucky Tundra (5h) : Yeah baby!

Zero2Cool (6h) : LUKE MUSGRAVE PLAYING TONIGHT~!~~~~WOWHOAAOHAOAA yah

Zero2Cool (7h) : I wanna kill new QB's ... blitz the crap out of them.

beast (7h) : Barry seemed to get too conservative against new QBs, Hafley doesn't have that issue

Zero2Cool (8h) : However, we seem to struggle vs new QB's

Zero2Cool (8h) : Should be moot point, cuz Packers should win tonight.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : ok I stand corrected

Zero2Cool (8h) : Ok, yes, you are right. I see that now how they get 7th

Zero2Cool (8h) : 5th - Packers win out, Vikings lose out. Maybe?

beast (8h) : Saying no to the 6th lock.

beast (8h) : No, with the Commanders beating the Eagles, Packers could have a good chance of 6th or 7th unless the win out

Zero2Cool (8h) : I think if Packers win, they are locked 6th with chance for 5th.

beast (8h) : But it doesn't matter, as the Packers win surely win one of their remaining games

beast (8h) : This is not complex, just someone doesn't want to believe reality

beast (8h) : We already have told you... if Packers lose all their games (they won't, but if they did), and Buccaneers and Falcons win all theirs

Zero2Cool (8h) : I posted it in that Packers and 1 seed thread

Zero2Cool (8h) : I literally just said it.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : show us a scenario where Pack don't get in? bet you can't

Zero2Cool (8h) : Falcons, Buccaneers would need to win final two games.

Zero2Cool (8h) : Yes, if they win one of three, they are lock. If they lose out, they can be eliminated.

packerfanoutwest (8h) : as I just said,,gtheyh are in no matter what

Zero2Cool (9h) : Packers should get in. I just hope it's not 7th seed. Feels dirty.

packerfanoutwest (9h) : If packers lose out, no matter what, they are in

packerfanoutwest (9h) : both teams can not male the playoffs....falcon hold the tie breaker

packerfanoutwest (9h) : if bucs win out they win their division

beast (9h) : Fine, Buccaneers and Falcons can get ahead of us

packerfanoutwest (9h) : falcons are already ahead of us

beast (9h) : Packers will get in

beast (9h) : If Packers lose the rest of their games and Falcons win the rest of theirs, they could pass us... but not gonna happen

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