Zero2Cool
14 years ago
http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101021/PKR07/101021152/Christl-column-Lambeau-Lombardi-also-had-rocky-exits-from-Packers 

Don't dump too much on Brett Favre without knowing history of Lambeau, Lombardi

The booing will thunder through Lambeau Field on Sunday night at about the same decibel level as the pregame flyover.

And there will be those in the media who just fell off the turnip truck dispensing screeds about Brett Favre committing the most egregious betrayal in the history of the Green Bay Packers.

Theres nothing wrong with fans voicing their displeasure or treating Favre as a public enemy for signing with the Minnesota Vikings. And theres nothing unusual about pundits writing or babbling about subjects on which they have little or no historical perspective.

But in truth, the messy divorce between Favre and the Packers is just history recycling itself. And unless human behavior has changed as the result of web rants, around-the-clock sports talk and instant communication, all will be forgiven and forgotten in due time.

Want evidence of that? It can be seen in those two imposing statues that greet visitors to the Lambeau Field Atrium.

If youre going to talk about bitter breakups or someone putting the screws to the Packers organization, the conversation probably should start with Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi.

Lambeau, co-founder of the Packers and torchbearer of the franchise for 31 years in his various roles as captain, coach, vice president and general manager, resigned without warning Feb. 1, 1950, to take charge of the Chicago Cardinals.

Two months earlier, a divided Packers board of directors voted to extend Lambeaus expiring contract for two years during a rancorous meeting at the Brown County Courthouse. The four-hour session was so highly charged that observers standing outside the door could hear directors shouting at one other.

The battle between Lambeau and his antagonists didnt end there. Before the meeting, Lambeau demanded that his enemies be removed from the board, that he be given total control over the corporation and that he be allowed to live in California for half the year. Former team President Dr. W.W. Kelly resigned from the board after being on the losing side, but the two other leaders of the anti-Lambeau faction, team attorney Jerry Clifford and the franchises other founder, George Whitney Calhoun, did not.

At some point, Lambeau also sought to take ownership of the team with the backing of other investors, according to the book, The Packer Legend: An Inside Look, written by the late John Torinus, a former member of the teams executive committee. That plan would have abolished the publicly owned, nonprofit corporation that has served the Packers so well in the years since.

As the infighting continued, Lambeaus contract expired before a new one was presented to him; and for whatever reason, the latter never got signed. Thats why he was able to abruptly jump ship when he did.

Lombardi asked to be released from his contract as general manager of the Packers on Feb. 3, 1969, so he could become coach, general manager and part owner of the Washington Redskins. A year earlier, he had stepped down as coach of the Packers after winning a third straight NFL championship.

By the start of training camp in 1968, Lombardi regretted that decision and in late November when the Packers traveled to Washington to play the Redskins, he met with their owner, Edward Bennett Williams, and, based on several accounts, paved the way for his return to coaching.

Lombardi had five years remaining on his contract with the Packers plus, his deal apparently included a clause that prevented him from coaching anywhere else, based on a Press-Gazette story at the time but he never bothered to inform them he was engaged in talks with Williams. Lombardi later said the Redskins asked him for permission and that was good enough to satisfy the leagues tampering rule. Yes, Vince Lombardi asked General Manager Vince Lombardi, he said.

On Jan. 28, 1969, four days before turning in his letter of resignation, Lombardi declined to participate in the NFL draft. He sat in his office at Lambeau Field and allowed coach Phil Bengtson to call the shots in the Packers draft room.

The result was one of the most disastrous drafts in team history. Bengtson chose defensive tackle and colossal bust Rich Moore in the first round over the protests of his scouting staff, then whiffed two more times in the second and third rounds on Dave Bradley and John Spilis.

Once Lombardi asked to be released from his contract, the Packers balked at first. But after two days of agonizing and a two-hour emergency meeting of the board, they granted his wish.

Lambeau and Lombardi emerged from those events largely unscathed in terms of media criticism. The Packers took the high road in both cases and expressed little or no ill will. And back then, fans had nowhere to vent other than in their inner circles.

The brouhaha was over within days, if not hours. Whats more, it should have been.

Even if Lambeau and Lombardi harmed or at least endangered the Packers franchise more than Favre on their way out of town, they did nothing that was terribly wrong. They acted in their self interests with little regard for the Packers, their fans or anyone else.

But so what?

Thats how the National Football League works. Thats business as usual. Thats life.


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Greg C.
14 years ago
It's good to have some historical perspective, but I think Cliff Christl is dead wrong to suggest that the Lambeau and Lombardi situations are equivalent to the Favre situation. The Lombardi situation might compare if it was the Chicago Bears, rather than the Washington Redskins, where he wanted to go. Rivalries matter to fans.

I do agree that the hard feelings will fade as time goes by. With Lombardi, it happened more quickly because he died not too long afterward.
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dfosterf
14 years ago
I wasn't around for Curly, but I was for Vince...

I moved from Wisconsin to D.C. when Vince did.

I have passionately hated the Redskins ever since, so if they want to talk about "getting over it", they can speak for themselves.

The thing that irked me the most was that my dad had become a Washington Redskins fan, and he still is to this day.

This is the same man that bashed in our TV (pounding on the screen,GO! GO!) while Jim Taylor ran in for a TD once.

The traitorous bastard was born and raised in Baraboo. My younger brother and I never waivered, never even entertained the remote possibility of switching allegiences.

Whenever I hear some Foreskin player talking about Vince when he was their coach, I just wanna puke.

I hate that motherfucking Dan Snyder, btw. :horse:
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
I was surprised Cliff Cristl started writing again. He used to work for the Journal Sentinel.

And I think he's wrong. I don't remember hearing about Lombardi or Lambeau call up a national interview to put down the Packers management.
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nerdmann
14 years ago
I don't care about what Lambeau and Lombardi did. If I was around then, I might. Favre tried to tear the team apart. He tried to turn the fans against TT. He tried to do as much damage to the franchise as he possibly could. Why?
Because Ted Thompson wouldn't let him dictate who the coach was gonna be, who was gonna be on the team, the offensive philosophy, and whatever plays he wanted to run.
Fact is, ever since Big Irv died, Favre has had his wife and his agent whispering in his ear about how great he is, and has long since come to believe it. We see how this is playing out both in his personal life and on the field.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope he learns his lessons well. The hard way.
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Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
They didn't call up the Lions, Vikings and Bears to explain his keys and reads either.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
dfosterf
14 years ago

I don't care about what Lambeau and Lombardi did. If I was around then, I might. Favre tried to tear the team apart. He tried to turn the fans against Ted Thompson. He tried to do as much damage to the franchise as he possibly could. Why?
Because Ted Thompson wouldn't let him dictate who the coach was gonna be, who was gonna be on the team, the offensive philosophy, and whatever plays he wanted to run.
Fact is, ever since Big Irv died, Favre has had his wife and his agent whispering in his ear about how great he is, and has long since come to believe it. We see how this is playing out both in his personal life and on the field.
As far as I'm concerned, I hope he learns his lessons well. The hard way.

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I don't believe any of that as you have stated it, regarding what Brett Favre "did". He wanted to play, felt he was the best in the business at doing so,(still) and wanted to prove it. This is my opinion on what Brett thought... Brett WAS the Green Bay Packers, as far as he was concerned- Don't minimize that aspect of what he was thinking, imo---
Zero2Cool
14 years ago
Brett was part of the Green Bay Packers, don't ever get that mistaken. He was one of 53, often times the most important one of said 53. But he was never the Green Bay Packers, no one person ever was, unless you say Curly Lambeau.
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Pack93z
14 years ago
A look back, and maybe fitting on what could be a last chapter in another of those.

Packer Divorces 

GREEN BAY -- The messy divorce between Brett Favre and the Packers is just history recycling itself. And unless human behavior has changed as the result of web rants, around-the-clock sports talk and instant communication, all will be forgiven and forgotten in due time.

Want evidence of that? It can be seen in those two imposing statues that greet visitors to the Lambeau Field Atrium.

If you're going to talk about bitter breakups or someone putting the screws to the Packers organization, the conversation probably should start with Curly Lambeau and Vince Lombardi.

Lambeau, co-founder of the Packers and torchbearer of the franchise for 31 years in his various roles as captain, coach, vice president and general manager, resigned without warning Feb. 1, 1950, to take charge of the Chicago Cardinals.

Two months earlier, a divided Packers board of directors voted to extend Lambeau's expiring contract for two years during a rancorous meeting at the Brown County Courthouse. The four-hour session was so highly charged that observers standing outside the door could hear directors shouting at one other.

The battle between Lambeau and his antagonists didn't end there. Before the meeting, Lambeau demanded that his enemies be removed from the board, that he be given total control over the corporation and that he be allowed to live in California for half the year. Former team President Dr. W.W. Kelly resigned from the board after being on the losing side, but the two other leaders of the anti-Lambeau faction, team attorney Jerry Clifford and the franchise's other founder, George Whitney Calhoun, did not.

At some point, Lambeau also sought to take ownership of the team with the backing of other investors, according to the book, "The Packer Legend: An Inside Look," written by the late John Torinus, a former member of the team's executive committee. That plan would have abolished the publicly owned, nonprofit corporation that has served the Packers so well in the years since.

As the infighting continued, Lambeau's contract expired before a new one was presented to him; and for whatever reason, the latter never got signed. That's why he was able to abruptly jump ship when he did.

Lombardi asked to be released from his contract as general manager of the Packers on Feb. 3, 1969, so he could become coach, general manager and part owner of the Washington Redskins. A year earlier, he had stepped down as coach of the Packers after winning a third straight NFL championship.

By the start of training camp in 1968, Lombardi regretted that decision and in late November when the Packers traveled to Washington to play the Redskins, he met with their owner, Edward Bennett Williams, and, based on several accounts, paved the way for his return to coaching.

Lombardi had five years remaining on his contract with the Packers -- plus, his deal apparently included a clause that prevented him from coaching anywhere else, based on a Press-Gazette story at the time -- but he never bothered to inform them he was engaged in talks with Williams. Lombardi later said the Redskins asked him for permission and that was good enough to satisfy the league's tampering rule. "Yes, Vince Lombardi asked General Manager Vince Lombardi," he said.

On Jan. 28, 1969, four days before turning in his letter of resignation, Lombardi declined to participate in the NFL draft. He sat in his office at Lambeau Field and allowed coach Phil Bengtson to call the shots in the Packers' draft room.

The result was one of the most disastrous drafts in team history. Bengtson chose defensive tackle and colossal bust Rich Moore in the first round over the protests of his scouting staff, then whiffed two more times in the second and third rounds on Dave Bradley and John Spilis.

Once Lombardi asked to be released from his contract, the Packers balked at first. But after two days of agonizing and a two-hour emergency meeting of the board, they granted his wish.

Lambeau and Lombardi emerged from those events largely unscathed in terms of media criticism. The Packers took the high road in both cases and expressed little or no ill will. And back then, fans had nowhere to vent other than in their inner circles.

The brouhaha was over within days, if not hours. What's more, it should have been.

Even if Lambeau and Lombardi harmed or at least endangered the Packers franchise more than Favre on their way out of town, they did nothing that was terribly wrong. They acted in their self interests with little regard for the Packers, their fans or anyone else.

But so what?

That's how the National Football League works. That's business as usual. That's life.

Cliff Christl is a former Packers writer and sports editor for the Green Bay Press-Gazette.


"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Dexter_Sinister
14 years ago
90 plus years and we had 3 bad breakups. Wow, how can they live with themselves.

The difference is that those other guys didn't call up the Packers opponents and try to help them beat the Packers. They also didn't retire first to weasel out of a contract.

There is no comparison.
I want to go out like my Grandpa did. Peacefully in his sleep.
Not screaming in terror like his passengers.
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