La Crosse City Council votes to decriminalize marijuana· Page 2

Tezzy
Senior Member

14 years ago

Umm...I generally smoke bowls, I don't like inhaling burnt paper.

But generally when I do roll I usually put in 1.0-1.5 grams per, and with a little tobacco (I enjoy spliffs). So we're talking 20 joints?

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Porforis
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#12

What the hell! Seriously, La Crosse? Way to make me have second thoughts about potentially moving back there. Honestly, I know several people that do pot and they do it in moderation, but I've known several that were chronic users and were pretty scary people to be around sometimes. I know that decriminalizing this isn't going to mean everybody in the city's suddenly going to start lighting up joints, but when you reduce the potential penalty to that of a freaking traffic ticket, it's going to lead to increased usage.

Porforis
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#13

Doesn't the Police Chief understand basic math? The fact that law enforcement is actually the group subsidizing the "drug cartels" by inflating prices yet not affecting consumption and demand one bit. I just don't understand feeble minds and how they lack proper function.

"Tezzy" wrote:

Your error is in assuming that law enforcement doesn't affect consumption or demand. Having lived in Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Indiana, I can safely say that there's a direct correlation between how strongly local/state police focus on traffic offenses (pretty much just speeding) and how fast people drive. This is extremely obvious if you ever drive through Milwaukee, then Chicago, and then into Indiana (which I have dozens of times). There are also certain smaller cities that are extremely nazi-ish about speeding, if you're going two over you're going to be pulled over. You'd better believe people drive slower.

Granted, most people who are smoking pot aren't doing it out on the open roads, they're doing it in their houses. I didn't want to make the smoking pot/speeding comparison without putting that disclaimer out. But law enforcement definitely DOES have an impact on consumption on demand.

Nonstopdrivel
Preferred Member Topic Starter

14 years ago

#14

Portugal once had the highest drug-usage rates in Europe. A few years ago (2007 I believe) they not only decriminalized but legalized all drugs. Portugal now has the lowest drug usage rate in Europe, and it continues to drop. So it's not true that decriminalizing substances automatically increases demand.

That's not even taking into consideration your argument is based on the presupposition that marijuana usage is somehow a bad thing.

Porforis
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#15

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

I never said that decriminalizing substances automatically increases demand, I'm saying that increasing the level of enforcement and penalties for using said substances reduces demand.

That's not even taking into consideration your argument is based on the presupposition that marijuana usage is somehow a bad thing.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

I never suggested that either. I DID suggest that chronic marijuana usage was a bad thing. It only becomes a problem if you become chemically or psychologically dependent on it or otherwise interferes with your life/the lives of other people.

If anything, I'd expect you to question my assumption that decriminalization would increase chronic usage, which I'm questioning myself about.

zombieslayer
Registered

14 years ago

#16

"Porforis" wrote:

I never said that decriminalizing substances automatically increases demand, I'm saying that increasing the level of enforcement and penalties for using said substances reduces demand.

That's not even taking into consideration your argument is based on the presupposition that marijuana usage is somehow a bad thing.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

Porforis - Addiction to sugar/corn syrup is much, much, much, much (x100) more deadly than addiction to marijuana. Costs us taxpayers much (x1000) more too.

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Nonstopdrivel
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14 years ago

#17

Cue "Sugar: The Bitter Truth."

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I actually texted that to my mother the other day: if the purpose of government is to protect people from themselves, ban sugared drinks, not THC. She said that maybe we should. I said, no, we definitely should not.

Wade
Veteran Member

14 years ago

#18

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:

You should never give statists ideas about new laws to pass.

Not even if they're your mom.

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