zombieslayer
14 years ago
This is a thread from the Fan Shout, an argument between me & Finley. Finley says only the Steelers have an elite D as they get takeaways, lots of sacks, and dominate Os.

I think the Vikings' D is elite. I watched all 3 games they played thus far and they completely shut down the Lions (which we had problems doing), shut off the Saints' rushing attack and made Brees look average. They limited the Dolphins to 226 total yards.

Yes, in 3 games, they only got 4 sacks but they are generating pressure. Most importantly, they're currently allowing less than 13 points a game.

Finley - I'm interested in hearing your counter argument.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Wade
  • Wade
  • Veteran Member
14 years ago
I think the question isn't the number of sacks but the quality of the secondary. Coming into this season, that to me the one lingering question about the Vikings (I didn't know about Rice's injury then, or the severity of Favre's ankle problem). While I haven't seen all of the games, what I've seen suggests their secondary is substantially better than it was last year.

Assuming that continues, yes, I think they are elite.
And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.
Romans 12:2 (NKJV)
ILikeThePackers39
14 years ago
It can be - depends on how those back 4 pan out. The front 7 is still among the very best in the league.

One caveat: Last couple games, teams have been able to get good situational run production against them - not huge yards, but enough yards when they needed them. That's new, and interesting.

But yeah, the Vikes' D can certainly be elite. Were it not for that D they'd likely be 0-3, and a couple of those might have been blowouts.
blank
Finley88Beast
14 years ago
I won't call them bad they are pretty good but not elite to me.Their secondary is questionable,their LBs are ok,and their dline is the best they got.
Lets see here for a sec in 3 games they have 4 sacks very big drop off from last year.Interceptions only 2.They haven't really played against good offenses except the Saints and they aren't playing like people thought.I count roughly 3 turnovers on the year for the viks.I don't think they are elite until they dominate by causing turnovers and pressure the QB better.

The Steelers lets see here 11 sacks,9 FF,6 INT's. They can dominate they have good pieces all over.They have a elite defense.
A Quote from my brother Mike(Bears Fan)
"Fucking Greg Jennings"
After he makes a catch
zombieslayer
14 years ago

I won't call them bad they are pretty good but not elite to me.Their secondary is questionable,their LBs are ok,and their dline is the best they got.
Lets see here for a sec in 3 games they have 4 sacks very big drop off from last year.Interceptions only 2.They haven't really played against good offenses except the Saints and they aren't playing like people thought.I count roughly 3 turnovers on the year for the viks.I don't think they are elite until they dominate by causing turnovers and pressure the QB better.

The Steelers lets see here 11 sacks,9 FF,6 INT's. They can dominate they have good pieces all over.They have a elite defense.

"Finley88Beast" wrote:



Finley - Let's revisit this discussion after game 8. I think by then, you'll agree with me that they're elite.

The sacks will come. I saw a lot of pressures and near misses. With sacks will come turnovers.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Finley88Beast
14 years ago

I won't call them bad they are pretty good but not elite to me.Their secondary is questionable,their LBs are ok,and their dline is the best they got.
Lets see here for a sec in 3 games they have 4 sacks very big drop off from last year.Interceptions only 2.They haven't really played against good offenses except the Saints and they aren't playing like people thought.I count roughly 3 turnovers on the year for the viks.I don't think they are elite until they dominate by causing turnovers and pressure the QB better.

The Steelers lets see here 11 sacks,9 FF,6 INT's. They can dominate they have good pieces all over.They have a elite defense.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Finley - Let's revisit this discussion after game 8. I think by then, you'll agree with me that they're elite.

The sacks will come. I saw a lot of pressures and near misses. With sacks will come turnovers.

"Finley88Beast" wrote:


Ya thats what im saying unless i see more against better teams then ill consider them.
A Quote from my brother Mike(Bears Fan)
"Fucking Greg Jennings"
After he makes a catch
Finley88Beast
14 years ago

I won't call them bad they are pretty good but not elite to me.Their secondary is questionable,their LBs are ok,and their dline is the best they got.
Lets see here for a sec in 3 games they have 4 sacks very big drop off from last year.Interceptions only 2.They haven't really played against good offenses except the Saints and they aren't playing like people thought.I count roughly 3 turnovers on the year for the viks.I don't think they are elite until they dominate by causing turnovers and pressure the QB better.

The Steelers lets see here 11 sacks,9 FF,6 INT's. They can dominate they have good pieces all over.They have a elite defense.

"zombieslayer" wrote:



Finley - Let's revisit this discussion after game 8. I think by then, you'll agree with me that they're elite.

The sacks will come. I saw a lot of pressures and near misses. With sacks will come turnovers.

"Finley88Beast" wrote:



I wanted to revisit this whats your answer Elite or Not elite?
I think i was right :physassult:
A Quote from my brother Mike(Bears Fan)
"Fucking Greg Jennings"
After he makes a catch
zombieslayer
14 years ago
Finley - Turns out you were right. It comes down to the DL. They're not making sacks. Because of that, losing their starting CB gets them exploited in the passing game. They've allowed 20+ points 4 games in a row.

Well, so much for the Vikings this year.
My man Donald Driver
UserPostedImage
(thanks to Pack93z for the pic)
2010 will be seen as the beginning of the new Packers dynasty. 🇹🇹 🇲🇲 🇦🇷
Similar Topics
Users browsing this topic
    Fan Shout
    dfosterf (14h) : Hasn"t Bosa missed more games than he has played in the last 3 years?
    Mucky Tundra (19h) : He hasn't been too bad when healthy but I don't feel like I ever heard much about when he is
    Zero2Cool (20h) : Felt like he was more interested in his body, than football. He flashed more than I expected
    Zero2Cool (20h) : When he was coming out, I thought he'd be flash in pan.
    Mucky Tundra (21h) : Joey seems so forgettable compared to his brother for some reason
    Zero2Cool (22h) : NFL informed teams today that the 2025 salary cap will be roughly $277.5M-$281.5M
    Zero2Cool (19-Feb) : Los Angeles Chargers are likely to release DE Joey Bosa this off-season as a cap casualty, per league source.
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : If the exploit is not fixed, we'll see tons of "50 top free agents, 50 perfect NFL team fits: We picked where each should sign in March" lo
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Issue should be solved, database cleaned and held strong working / meeting. Boom!
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : It should be halted now.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : usually spambots are trying to get traffic to shady websites filled with spyware; the two links being spammed were to the Packers website
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : you know when you put it that way combined with the links it was spamming (to the official Packers website)
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yep. You can do that with holding down ENTER on a command in Console of browser
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : even with the rapid fire posts?
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : I'm not certain it's a bot.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I've got to go to work soon which is a pity because I'm enthralled by this battle between the bot and Zero
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yeah, I see what that did. Kind of funny.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : now it's a link to Wes Hodkiezwicz mailbag
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Now they're back with another topic
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : oh lol
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : I have a script that purges them now.
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : 118 Topics with Message.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : what's 118 (besides a number)?
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : They got 118 slapped in there.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : that's why it confused the hell out of me
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Yeah, but this is taking a headline and slapping it into the Packers Talk
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Wasnt there a time guests could post in the help forum?
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : lol good question, kind of impressed!
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : So how is a guest posting?
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Tell them its an emergency
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Working. Meetings.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Lots of fun; the spam goes back 4 or 5 pages by this point
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I thought you'd look for yourself and put 2 and 2 together lol. I overestimated ya ;)
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : I thought Guests couldnt post?
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : And gosh that's gonna be fun to clean up! hahaa
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : Oh. Why not just say that then? Geez.
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : check the main forum, seems a spam bot is running amok
    Zero2Cool (18-Feb) : What?
    Mucky Tundra (18-Feb) : Is the Packers online game "Packers Predict" now available for 2024? I can't tell
    Zero2Cool (17-Feb) : Bengals planning to Franchise Tag Tamaurice Higgins
    Zero2Cool (14-Feb) : Packers are hiring Luke Getsy as senior offensive assistant.
    Martha Careful (12-Feb) : I would love to have them both, esp. Crosby, but either might be too expensive.
    Zero2Cool (12-Feb) : Keisean Nixon is trying to get Maxx Crosby and Davante Adams lol
    Mucky Tundra (11-Feb) : Yeah where did it go?
    packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : or did you resctrict access to that topic?
    packerfanoutwest (11-Feb) : why did you remove the Playoff topic?
    Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : Tua’s old DC won a Super Bowl Year 1 with Tua’s former backup
    Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : *winning MVP
    Mucky Tundra (10-Feb) : Funny observation I've heard: Carson Wentz was on the sideline for both Eagles Super Bowl wins w/guys supposed to be his back up winning
    Zero2Cool (10-Feb) : NFL thought it would get more attention week preceding Super Bowl.
    Please sign in to use Fan Shout
    2024 Packers Schedule
    Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
    Eagles
    29 - 34
    Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
    COLTS
    16 - 10
    Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
    Titans
    30 - 14
    Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
    VIKINGS
    29 - 31
    Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
    Rams
    24 - 19
    Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
    CARDINALS
    34 - 13
    Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
    TEXANS
    24 - 22
    Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
    Jaguars
    30 - 27
    Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
    LIONS
    14 - 24
    Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
    Bears
    20 - 19
    Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
    49ERS
    38 - 10
    Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
    DOLPHINS
    30 - 17
    Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
    Lions
    31 - 34
    Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
    Seahawks
    30 - 13
    Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
    SAINTS
    34 - 0
    Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
    Vikings
    25 - 27
    Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
    BEARS
    22 - 24
    Sunday, Jan 12 @ 3:30 PM
    Eagles
    10 - 22
    Recent Topics
    18h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    19-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / MintBaconDrivel

    18-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    18-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    18-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    18-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    16-Feb / Around The NFL / beast

    16-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    16-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    15-Feb / Around The NFL / beast

    15-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

    14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / TheKanataThrilla

    14-Feb / Green Bay Packers Talk / beast

    13-Feb / Random Babble / Mucky Tundra

    10-Feb / Featured Content / Zero2Cool

    Headlines
    Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.