LambeauEast
15 years ago

If there were such a preponderance of evidence, LambeauEast, why did they have to plant it? That was something I remember several of the jurists commenting on after the case.

If there's one thing I deplore about our modern Information Age, it's that everyone is tried in the court of public (read: ignorant) opinion before they ever get to trial. I was reading a book about sex law last year that made the interesting point that it's almost more preferable to be convicted of a sex crime these days than exonerated, because at least if you're convicted, you can "serve your time," whereas if you're exonerated, a cloud of suspicion will hang over you for the rest of your life as people will assume you got away with something, pulled a fast one on the legal justice system.

The entire corpus of sex law in this country is profoundly fucked up, and I hope the ensuing generation will rise up and make some desperately needed changes, since it's obvious our current generation is far too paranoid of phantom bogeymen to do so. When a man can be convicted for sexual assault for touching a woman's breasts, but a woman cannot even be charged with sexual assault for cutting off a man's testicles -- indeed, kicking a man in the nuts is considered standard comedy fare -- you know something is terribly wrong.

But I am way off topic now.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



LOL, framing O.J. reminds me of that old Dana Carvey bit, but I digress. Back to the topic...Ben's case does indeed smack of a gold digger wanting some money. Kanye West has a song called Gold Digger, maybe the threads should be merged.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
CHOPPIN' BROCCOLI!!!!!!!
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LambeauEast
15 years ago

CHOPPIN' BROCCOLI!!!!!!!

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



LOL! +1.
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Zero2Cool
15 years ago
[youtube]Yw_CtUR9Lh0[/youtube]

I loved this special. I want the whole thing. I have it on VHS, but it's crappy.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
Could we discuss the topic.. lol.. 😉 :lol:

Ben is going to fight any settlement because the court of public opinion will have some question of doubt. The way this young lady has been backtracking, it is punching holes the size of the titanic into her claims.

But staying vigilant in his innocence, he is probably winning the public opinion battle with this lady's crumbling story.
"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
Sorry about the rant. Sex law is one of the few topics that can truly drive me into a tirade. Maybe because I've been on the side of the sexual assault equation. Or maybe because real (or alleged) offenses can screw a person's life up permanently, which I don't think is just. Or maybe because things that are considered normative behavior have been illegalized in this country. Or maybe for all those reasons. I'm not sure.
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Pack93z
15 years ago
On the off topic comment.. it was a joke.. yesterday we got the comment in another thread for two posts off topic.. just returning the favor.. 😉 All in jest.

More on Big Ben's stance...

Roethlisberger files "Rule 11" motion
Posted by Mike Florio on September 17, 2009 10:26 AM ET
As we reported three weeks ago, lawyers for Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger sent to lawyer Calvin Dunlap, who represents the woman who has sued Roethlisberger for sexual assault, a motion for sanctions under Rule 11 of the Nevada Rules of Civil Procedure.

Most jurisdictions have adopted some form of "Rule 11," the primary tactic for combating frivolous statements made in litigation by lawyers representing any of the parties.

The standard practice is to draft the paperwork, send it to the lawyer who has made the allegedly frivolous filing, and inform the lawyer that, if the frivolous document isn't withdrawn within 21 days, the motion will be filed with the Court.

In this case, the three weeks expired on September 15. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the motion for sanctions was filed Wednesday. (The actual filing of the motion was first reported by Joe Buck's favorite web site, and strangely couched as an "exclusive" -- even though the document is publicly available, and even though the existence of the motion was reported by an organization other than Joe Buck's first (or second) favorite web site three weeks ago.)

Here's a taste of page 8 of the motion, regarding the importance of the accuser's decision not to file criminal charges:

"Plaintiff's failure to report the alleged sexual assault was more than a speed bump in counsel's race to get to the courthouse. It was an independent and objective fact that would cause 'a trained professional who 🇮🇸 expected to exercise independent judgment' to at least investigate whether the absence of a criminal complaint against Mr. Roethlisberger was evidence of the absence of criminal conduct by Mr. Roethlisberger. It is particularly noteworthy that the witnesses who have refuted Plaintiffs false allegations are the same witnesses upon which law enforcement would have relied in determining whether to charge Mr. Roethlisberger with a crime. Rather than discharge the duty to investigate imposed by Palmer, Plaintiff s counsel chose to attack and, in some instance, sue the witnesses that [Nevada law] mandates he should have interviewed."

If the Court concludes that Dunlap failed to properly investigate the case, he could be required to pay all attorneys' fees incurred by Roethlisberger. As a practical matter, it's rare that motions of this nature are granted, but it's not unprecedented.

So, yes, this thing is getting uglier by the day. And, no, we don't think the case will be going away, unless the accuser goes against the advice of counsel and caves.

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"The oranges are dry; the apples are mealy; and the papayas... I don't know what's going on with the papayas!"
Porforis
15 years ago


Do we know if Kobe rapped that woman? No.
Do we know if OJ killed those people? No.
Do we know if Ben rapped that woman? No.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



What, you're accusing Kobe of rapping just because he's black? I though Shaq was the one that enjoyed rapping and appearing in terrible movies. If Ben DID rap though, he should be thrown in jail. Because we all know white men not named eminem cannot rap.
TheEngineer
15 years ago

If there were such a preponderance of evidence, LambeauEast, why did they have to plant it? That was something I remember several of the jurists commenting on after the case.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



Now now non, you of all people should know to be very careful with the choice of words here.

Conviction for a crime requires proof beyond all reasonable doubt, rather than the burden of proof for say, a civil case which is a preponderance of the evidence.
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LambeauEast
15 years ago

[youtube]Yw_CtUR9Lh0[/youtube]

I loved this special. I want the whole thing. I have it on VHS, but it's crappy.

"Zero2Cool" wrote:



Yes, classic!

Sorry about the rant. Sex law is one of the few topics that can truly drive me into a tirade. Maybe because I've been on the side of the sexual assault equation. Or maybe because real (or alleged) offenses can screw a person's life up permanently, which I don't think is just. Or maybe because things that are considered normative behavior have been illegalized in this country. Or maybe for all those reasons. I'm not sure.

"Nonstopdrivel" wrote:



It's all good, man. I didn't mean to offend...well, not THAT time anyways!
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