Nonstopdrivel
15 years ago
On the same day that Cheesey earned undying internet fame by appearing in the Ozaukee Press, my mother appeared on the front page of the La Crosse Tribune, her quote emblazoned in big letters above the fold. This is the first big stand my mother has taken as a member of the City of La Crosse Common Council.

Meeting prayer changes rejected 

By SAMANTHA MARCUS / smarcus@lacrossetribune.com

The La Crosse Common Councils Committee of the Whole on Tuesday rejected making any substantive changes to the citys policy on having an invocation to open its monthly meetings.

The council considered altering the policy after Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation warned the council the prayer was unconstitutional.
A Scottsdale, Ariz.-based conservative Christian organization later offered free legal defense if the city adopted a policy strictly adhering to its template, which it called proven to pass constitutional muster.

But the council, after considerable debate and public testimony often resorting to hyperbole on both sides only approved the Alliance Defense Funds policy in part, potentially jeopardizing the groups offer.

Tuesdays debate really came down to whether the prayer should be conducted before or after the gavel, and the council voted 9-7 to have the prayer and pledge of allegiance recited after meetings are called to order.

I am a strong supporter of the invocation ... and I believe we should not denigrate the importance of the prayer and pledge by putting it outside the body of our agenda, said council member Lorraine Rose Decker.

Pulling the prayer out of the regular meeting would be a concession to the atheist outfit, and a failure to recognize the council gets its authority from God, said the Rev. Jeff Thomson, pastor of Onalaskas River of Life Church.

The very conscience that you use when you make decisions from here is a gift from God, he told the body.

City Attorney Stephen Matty said because the council altered the Alliances template, hes not confident its offer of free legal defense will stand.

There will probably be a challenge someday but so be it. We need to go forward, Decker said.

Council member Dick Swantz said he and council member Marilyn Wigdahl still plan to introduce a resolution next month calling for a moment of silence rather than clergy-led prayer.

Hes not running scared from the Foundations threats, Swantz said, adding he thinks this was just an opportunity to respect and celebrate the communitys growing diversity.



With all due respect, I consider that last paragraph a bit of a BS argument, since the invocation is presented by clergy from a wide variety of religions. The last time I visited the council chambers, an Islamic imam gave the prayer -- in Arabic, no less!
UserPostedImage
DGB454
15 years ago
Good for your Mom. Stand up for what you believe in.
Formo
15 years ago
Interesting stuff, Nonstop.
UserPostedImage
Thanks to TheViking88 for the sig!!
Cheesey
15 years ago
Good stuff! Give your Mom a "thumbs up" from Cheesey!
More people should stand up for what they believe.
We have become a nation of "wussies" that are afraid to step on any toes.
The P.C. crowd screams the loudest, even though they are usually the minority.
UserPostedImage
Fan Shout
dfosterf (5h) : Mackelvie
dfosterf (5h) : Michael Macelvie- NFL teams know how to draft- Why don"t they?
dfosterf (5h) : Youtube
Zero2Cool (10h) : Packers were not selected for the 2025 Hall of Fame game.
dfosterf (12h) : PFOW Out of our division would be a good thing imo
Zero2Cool (14h) : Jameson Williams is done at 24 years old? What? He's a WR, not QB. I'm missing something here haha
wpr (14h) : Tomorrow is almost here.
packerfanoutwest (14h) : would you want him if Pack needed a back up qb?
packerfanoutwest (14h) : JW is done......stick a fork in him
Zero2Cool (16h) : You should. He goes to AFC that helps Packers.
packerfanoutwest (23-Apr) : don't care
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Lions shopping Jameson Williams?
packerfanoutwest (22-Apr) : Packers General Manager Brian Gutekunst says Green Bay’s roster can win, even without adding anyone in the draft.
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : It's a poor design. New site has SignalR like our gameday chat
wpr (22-Apr) : Ah today's Shout was very quick to post.
wpr (22-Apr) : now 3
Zero2Cool (22-Apr) : Who? What?
beast (22-Apr) : What is he supposed to say? He doesn't want players currently on the team?
Martha Careful (21-Apr) : meh
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : Sounds like Walker and Wyatt will be with Packers for beyond 2026
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : It's so awesome.
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : new site fan shout post fast
wpr (21-Apr) : Slow posting in Fan shout.
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
wpr (21-Apr) : Only 4
Zero2Cool (21-Apr) : If only we had a topic to read about and discuss it. That's something new website must have!!!
dfosterf (21-Apr) : Justice Musqueda over at Acme Packing put up an excellent synopsis of the Packers 1st round options this am
wpr (19-Apr) : 5 days
beast (18-Apr) : 6 days
wpr (17-Apr) : 7 days
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : sounds like Packers don't get good compensation, Jaire staying
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Nobody coming up with a keep, but at x amount
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Trade, cut or keep
dfosterf (16-Apr) : that from Jaire
dfosterf (16-Apr) : My guess is the Packers floated the concept of a reworked contract via his agent and agent got a f'
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Yes, and that is why I think Rob worded it how he did. Rather than say "agent"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Same laws apply. Agent must present such an offer to Jaire. Cannot accept or reject without presenting it
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : I'm thinking that is why Rob worded it how he did.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The Packers can certainly still make the offer to the agent
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Laws of agency and definition of fiduciary responsibility
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Jaire is open to a reduced contract without Jaire's permission
dfosterf (16-Apr) : The agent would arguably violate the law if he were to tell the Packers
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : That someone ... likely the agent.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : So, Jaire has not been offered nor rejected a pay reduction, but someone says he'd decline.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovksy says t was direct communication with someone familiar with Jaire’s line of thinking at that moment.
Zero2Cool (16-Apr) : Demovsky just replied to me a bit ago. Jaire hasn't said it.
dfosterf (16-Apr) : Of course, that depends on the definition of "we"
dfosterf (16-Apr) : We have been told that they haven't because he wouldn't accept it. I submit we don't know that
dfosterf (16-Apr) : What is the downside in making a calculated reduced offer to Jaire?
Zero2Cool (15-Apr) : Packers are receiving interest in Jaire Alexander but a trade is not imminent
Please sign in to use Fan Shout
2024 Packers Schedule
Friday, Sep 6 @ 7:15 PM
Eagles
Sunday, Sep 15 @ 12:00 PM
COLTS
Sunday, Sep 22 @ 12:00 PM
Titans
Sunday, Sep 29 @ 12:00 PM
VIKINGS
Sunday, Oct 6 @ 3:25 PM
Rams
Sunday, Oct 13 @ 12:00 PM
CARDINALS
Sunday, Oct 20 @ 12:00 PM
TEXANS
Sunday, Oct 27 @ 12:00 PM
Jaguars
Sunday, Nov 3 @ 3:25 PM
LIONS
Sunday, Nov 17 @ 12:00 PM
Bears
Sunday, Nov 24 @ 3:25 PM
49ERS
Thursday, Nov 28 @ 7:20 PM
DOLPHINS
Thursday, Dec 5 @ 7:15 PM
Lions
Sunday, Dec 15 @ 7:20 PM
Seahawks
Monday, Dec 23 @ 7:15 PM
SAINTS
Sunday, Dec 29 @ 3:25 PM
Vikings
Sunday, Jan 5 @ 12:00 PM
BEARS
Recent Topics
5h / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

15h / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Packers Draft Threads / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Random Babble / Martha Careful

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

22-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / dfosterf

17-Apr / Random Babble / wpr

13-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Martha Careful

12-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Zero2Cool

11-Apr / Feedback, Suggestions and Issues / Rockmolder

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

2-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / bboystyle

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / Mucky Tundra

1-Apr / Green Bay Packers Talk / wpr

31-Mar / Green Bay Packers Talk / Zero2Cool

Headlines
Copyright © 2006 - 2025 PackersHome.com™. All Rights Reserved.